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Post by bobstyle on Jun 27, 2009 15:41:45 GMT -5
Instead of waiting for the **** to hit the fan and fly at us, Why do we not step up and throw the **** at the fan ourselves. We wait, we wait, we wait. WHY? does anybody out there honestly think it's gonna get better? IT WON"T !!! as long as these ******* can slam these bills in our faces ,with blatant greed and disregard for us , they will continue to do so. it's time to cut off their hands . this is an outrage of treasonous behaviour that should be punishable by death.
continue to wait and we'll be watching our families starve because there is no food/water/ power...etc.
They will continue to rape us because there is no serious opposition to their behaviour.just talk.
It's time my friends. WAIT ? NO MORE WAITING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by fireresque51 on Jun 27, 2009 16:09:23 GMT -5
If you act too soon the you will be seen and a domestic terorist or a nutball by the masses. If you bide you time, organize your people and strike when the time is right the you will be seen as a patriot by the massess. In order to be justified in the minds of those who you will need to depend on for support, they have to reallize that all other options have been expended. Even though you may realize that now, the masses do not always see it like you do. With out local support, any action will fail. It all sounds glorious and inspirational, but until you have had lead comming back at you, you can not realize what the consequences of rushing in without the proper support can be. Remember, only fools rush in where others dare not to tread. Be patient brother.
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Post by avordvet on Jun 27, 2009 16:28:10 GMT -5
Hey bobstyle, more people are waking up, looking around and picking a side, just keep growing the A&M network, groups like this will be very important should things get out of hand.
It pisses a lot of us off, but keep your eye on the ball, the more these politicians do, the more people are driven our way, we will all know when it is time.
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Post by snakebite on Jun 27, 2009 16:35:55 GMT -5
I too am very upset with all that is going on. BUT...I know at this time restraint is needed. If the action is taken you are talking about was to happen now, it would not be supported by a vast majority in this county. This type of action if taken now would be viewed as a terrorist strike instead of a citizens' rebellion. Not until a majority of the people will look back and say, "It was economically and socially better even when Bush was at the helm" will this happen and there will be support for this type of action. Although, I am encouraged because I see more and more people getting thier eyes opened up. My prayer is that there will be no need for shots to be fired and the people of this great country will vote accordingly. How long do we have? I wish I knew, but at this time I feel restrained. I get my tickets just before I get on the ride...
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Post by Michael Downing on Jun 27, 2009 19:31:34 GMT -5
I understand the frustration and have had to bite my lip so hard as to draw blood over some of the crap that been thrown at us, but there is much more to come and we have not seen the worse yet. I have worked with metal for the last 30 years and one thing you know with metal whether you are forging or tempering timing and tempertaure is everything. Work the metal too soon or cut your tempering cycle too short and the metal is too hard to work and it fails under use. If your temperature is too high then the metal is too soft and it also fails under use. So it will be with what is to come for all of us. Act too soon and we we fail but act too late and we fail. The enemy is well versed in spinning any failure into a major event that could set our Constitutional Republic back beyond our reach. If a group acts too soon or the enemy forces a confrontation beofre we are ready then they will be crushed and marginalized as domestic terrorists. That will be used to pull public opinion in their favor and they will be move to tighten the noose around us and disarm us if they can. I put my trust in God, in family and in the patriots that will stand for the Constitution and this nation that I love. I do not know when the time will come but it is not know. Be paticent and prepare for it could be a long struggle. Most importantly we are not alone.
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Post by fergus on Jun 27, 2009 19:47:31 GMT -5
I concur, as hard as it is to wait. That is the best plan of action at this point. Spread the word and open eyes. Show the masses where the problem lies.
The only problem is so many are still blaming the economy on George Bush and waiting for O's policies to kick in to save the day, not realizing that O's policies are kicking in and thats the problem.
Its hard waiting, I am on record here already as being fed up, but listen to your peers. They know what they are talking about. I have found a renewed spirirt just in the last two days from coming here to vent. Bid your time and stand ready.
I have been listening to Iced Earth : Declaraton Day as insipration. Find a song you like and jam out and forget the issues for awhile and recharge your soul.
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Post by Michael Downing on Jun 27, 2009 20:53:11 GMT -5
Bush and his boys were not blameless but they were not to blame either. The reaction to 911 brought us the Patriot act and we saw the door opened for future administrations to montior the web, emails and phone calls as well as preventative detention of "possible" terrorists. Who gets to determine who is the terrorist now? The progressives have been slowly shredding out Constitution for over 100 years and we as a people have allowed it in the name fo the greater good of the country. It took us over 100 years to get here and we are not going to fix it in one head long rush to defeat in the near future. If that is our plan then history will not be kind to our memory. I myself would prefer to have songs song in our name around the campfires in the future. If that is to be then we must win because histroy is written by those who win. We do not have 100 years to turn this around but we have time. The pressure is upon the enmey and not upon us. Each day our numbers will grow and even those who do not support us will continue to stop supporting the enemy and that works to our advantage. I am one of the three percent but timing will mean success or failure. We will suffer some losses and endure much before in my mind the time will be right to take this country back. They will have to take the battle to us and then our righteous cause will be fulfilled.
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Post by hefferman1 on Jun 28, 2009 2:00:27 GMT -5
I understand the frustration and have had to bite my lip so hard as to draw blood over some of the crap that been thrown at us, but there is much more to come and we have not seen the worse yet. I have worked with metal for the last 30 years and one thing you know with metal whether you are forging or tempering timing and tempertaure is everything. Work the metal too soon or cut your tempering cycle too short and the metal is too hard to work and it fails under use. If your temperature is too high then the metal is too soft and it also fails under use. So it will be with what is to come for all of us. Act too soon and we we fail but act too late and we fail. The enemy is well versed in spinning any failure into a major event that could set our Constitutional Republic back beyond our reach. If a group acts too soon or the enemy forces a confrontation beofre we are ready then they will be crushed and marginalized as domestic terrorists. That will be used to pull public opinion in their favor and they will be move to tighten the noose around us and disarm us if they can. I put my trust in God, in family and in the patriots that will stand for the Constitution and this nation that I love. I do not know when the time will come but it is not know. Be paticent and prepare for it could be a long struggle. Most importantly we are not alone. Great analogy. Right now the metal is just starting to glow and is still too red to be forged into what we will need to survive and out last, the tyrants, when things get tough. Train and prepare as it will be a tough fight. Learn to think out side the box and in tactical terms. An ounce of sweat saves a gallon of blood.
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Post by avordvet on Jun 28, 2009 6:26:39 GMT -5
"If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected." - Sun Tzu, the Art of War
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Post by Patriots Support on Jun 28, 2009 10:25:15 GMT -5
avordvet, Well said, every person in this group should be familiar with and read The Art Of War.
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Post by spy1 on Jun 28, 2009 10:45:29 GMT -5
Great responses by all, IMO.
We have plenty of "weapons" at our disposal to use already - our voices and our votes - and we should be using them at every opportunity.
bobstyle - Did you manage to contact all the Representatives I indicated in my last email "Alert"? Because those FAX'es, phone calls and emails are our "weapon" right now until and unless the Administration itself forces an escalation upon us.
I will not give up on the system while there's any chance at all that it will still work.
The tide is beginning to turn and the "glow" has started to wear off the new "president" and his policies.
We can accelerate that process by hammering our Senators and Representatives at every opportunity, by discussing these things with friends/family/co-workers (in a calm, intelligent fashion) and by practicing "getting our feet wet" by attending some "tea" parties (of which there is going to be one in Charlotte shortly - are you coming?) or other public functions that involve getting out from behind our computers and actually practicing some political activism.
I have already set out a number of scenarios that would cause a "GO!" alert - it's called "measured response" or "matched escalation" - so don't think for a minute that we're sitting here planless or without the will to carry those plans out, because we're not.
If you didn't receive the "Here's The PLAN" email from me, let me know and I'll re-send it. Pete
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Post by angryconservative on Jun 28, 2009 11:45:39 GMT -5
Instead of waiting for the **** to hit the fan and fly at us, Why do we not step up and throw the **** at the fan ourselves. We wait, we wait, we wait. WHY? does anybody out there honestly think it's gonna get better? IT WON"T !!! as long as these ******* can slam these bills in our faces ,with blatant greed and disregard for us , they will continue to do so. it's time to cut off their hands . this is an outrage of treasonous behaviour that should be punishable by death. continue to wait and we'll be watching our families starve because there is no food/water/ power...etc. They will continue to rape us because there is no serious opposition to their behaviour.just talk. It's time my friends. WAIT ? NO MORE WAITING!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bob, An effective warrior fights with his head and not his anger. First rule of SF and Ranger training. You win battles by focus and sometimes without a shot being fired. If you play to their battle plan, you and the rest of us will loose. They know this. They are TRYING to provoke us into acting first so they have a valid reason to employ heavy tactics. Rest assured they will play the first card. Stick with you POC and team...DO not and I repeat this, do not act out of anger....Act out of necessity. Be ready and win the hearts of those around use, our numbers will grow and we will become stronger...The more they tighten their grip, the more power will slip through their hands. To all of you, take this to heart. The sheeple will awaken once the conflicts and martial law begins. Be ready to win them over, not alienate them.
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Post by avordvet on Jun 28, 2009 12:44:28 GMT -5
avordvet, Well said, every person in this group should be familiar with and read The Art Of War. SUN TZU ON THE ART OF WAR THE OLDEST MILITARY TREATISE IN THE WORLD Translated from the Chinese By LIONEL GILES, M.A. (1910) www.chinapage.com/sunzi-e.html
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Post by bobstyle on Jun 28, 2009 17:23:15 GMT -5
I agree with you guys but I have been watching these clowns pushing through these bills at lightning speed. I tend to get reactionary at times. my apologies to all.
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Post by fireresque51 on Jun 28, 2009 17:27:45 GMT -5
No problem bob we all do it we just have to put the filter back in between our brain and mouth some times. We are all with you brother
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Post by Gun Totin American on Jun 29, 2009 13:01:32 GMT -5
I agree with you guys but I have been watching these clowns pushing through these bills at lightning speed. I tend to get reactionary at times. my apologies to all. The current events are causing me to have a hard time keeping my anger in check as well. I would wager that we are all having a difficult time watching as we are being sold wholesale and without an ounce of remorse by the dogs in Washington. The time is not yet, my friend. Every day awakens more of our fellow citizens to the cause of liberty.
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Post by hefferman1 on Jun 29, 2009 22:35:54 GMT -5
I agree with you guys but I have been watching these clowns pushing through these bills at lightning speed. I tend to get reactionary at times. my apologies to all. We all get up set when we see the Constitution being torn to pieces, and yes it makes all of us real mad. We have to be smart enough to not fall into the trap they are setting. Many of us on this board were just as upset when slick willie and bull dyke were in the White House. One group, Tim McVey, and his helpers did something very stupid, and it set the people working to keep our Constitution back, way back. It allowed the would be tyrants to move their plan ahead without real opposition. In fact many in Militias are still looked down on by a lot of our fellow Americans. They think we are nut jobs, because the media programmed them to see Conservative Constitutionalist in that way. The people are starting to wake up, and they are seeing something is not right, they smell the rot comming out of Washington. Many are slowly moving away from being sheepeople and toward our beliefs. We can not allow one person, or one group to stop this and destroy the work so many have put into getting ready to defend our Constitution. Think before you act, talk to someone you trust, make sure it is a smart move. Then sleep on it, and think about it again. Force them to make the first wrong move.
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Post by Michael Downing on Jun 29, 2009 22:43:11 GMT -5
Bob I myself need to find another release beside biting my lip or I will begin to be wek from the los sof blood. We all sahre your frustration and the need to rant and vent from tiem to tiem. It is not like when things get tense that we can all tell our staff we are going hiking in the mountains and then hope a plane for Argentinia for a little tete de tete. Keep the faith my friend and know in your heart that in the end the battle will be ours. This nation was conceived becuase our founders put to words what the Patriots already knew in their hearts that "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
The Creator had an active role in bringing this country into being and I for one do not believe he is done with us yet, God Bless...
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Post by lighteye on Jun 30, 2009 8:11:03 GMT -5
Bob, we're all angry as you can see, but there are many valid reasons as noted above why we cannot act overtly at this moment. My suggestion is to train train train with like minded patriots so you're ready when it does come. I have often thought about what if we acted now? As noted above, we would be thought criminals by the masses...not very conducive to our goal of upholding the Constitution, but would rather empower the silly bastards to further trample it into the ground. Hang on brother, the time's coming
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