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Post by spy1 on Apr 22, 2009 13:34:26 GMT -5
1.) "Hate Crimes" Bill Will Criminalize Free Speech - I just took action on this issue and thought you might find it interesting too. On Wednesday, April 22 the House Judiciary Committee is scheduled to mark up and pass HR 1913 -- the “Hate Crimes” bill. This bill wants to criminalize speech that insults politically-fashionable minorities, such as gays. Even if it means sacrificing religious freedom to do it. This info comes from HumanEvents.com - To contact your reps: capwiz.com/humanevents/issues/alert/?alertid=13186956This is what I put in the "Comments' section of that email: H.R. 1913 is a threat to freedom of speech and religion and must be stopped!
I both ask for and EXPECT your total OPPOSITION to this bill when it comes to the floor for a vote.
It is the most horrible, open-ended abortion of the First Amendment that I have ever seen - and it is SURE to be both ABUSED and MISUSED by those seeking to squelch opposition to their Parties platforms and agenda's.
You can NOT in good conscience or as a Constitution-believing/supporting-CITIZEN support this bill.
Thank you.
I'll be watching.Hit this one and hit it QUICK!Forward it to EVERYONE in your address books. Pete
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Post by brocktownsend on Apr 22, 2009 17:10:08 GMT -5
Done, done it before!
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Post by 2ncrca on Apr 22, 2009 17:30:50 GMT -5
Sent response earlier. Thanks spy1 for catching this piece of trash legislation.
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Post by smokeeater on Apr 22, 2009 19:04:34 GMT -5
Every time we turn around another piece of trash bill is comming down the pike , seems like every day there is another bill or law to be screamming at our reps for. I DONT THINK ANY OF IT IS DOING ANY GOOD
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Post by spy1 on Apr 23, 2009 1:46:03 GMT -5
smokeeater - Perhaps you haven't noticed, but there are an awful lot of parallels between what's going on currently - politically - and an actual war.
The "enemy" (the dominant faction at this time), our own government, has marshaled its' forces against us.
(This would be the president, his entire cabinet, his lackeys at the State and Federal levels, left-wing judges, etc.).
That would be the "enemies' " troops.
Arrayed against the enemy troops are you, I and every other freedom and Constitution-loving person in this country - as well as some good politician's and judges.
The opening salvo in the war we're currently engaged in was fired when the enemy declared their intention to saddle us with another "assault" weapon ban.
Our "return fire" (our letters, our phone calls/FAX'es and emails in the thousands) neutalized that attack.
And the enemy had to retreat and re-group.
Were it not so, we'd already have had an A.W.B. shoved down our throat.
It wasn't because our enemies remembered what happened with the first A.W.B. (which some claim cost them the following election, about which I have my doubts) - it's common knowledge that the socialist/fascists have memories as small as some of their body-parts!
It was because they heard our resolve - and they saw our numbers again - even more numerous than 'before".
And they knew they had lost that skirmish.
So the enemy has expanded the front upon which they're attacking us:
they are trying to weaken our borders (Napolitano and her "border" and "illegal immigrant" negligence)
scare off our volunteers (Napolitano and her "Veteran's as potential targets for terrorist recruitment" report)
cut our lines of communication (Omama and his Cybersecurity Act of 2009 and the super-mysterious "A.C.T.A" treaty/bill)
chill our freedom of speech (the "Hate Crimes" bill)
All of these things are looking for one thing and one thing only to achieve victory for the enemy.
A lack of response from us - weakness - weariness on our part to continue the battle and the loading of the return volleys I referred to above.
Causing us to be silent, and to bow the knee so that they can win.
Because our dog didn't show up for the fight!
In the last Administration, the American public fought "immigration reform" to a standstill due to the multitude and the tenacity of the voices raised.
We have accomplished a similar victory over the A.W.B for the time-being for exactly the same reason!
So don't tell me that "they don't listen" - because that's a lie. It's a lie they want you to believe. They "hear" your silence, too - and rejoice in it.
When you give in to that defeatist attitude - because that's exactly what that is - then you play directly into the hands of those who would destroy you, your way of life and this country.
They count on you giving up.
They count on you getting tired of responding time-after-time-after-time
They count on you believing that they're "not listening" - and they revel in your self-induced bitterness, despair and subsequent non-responsiveness to the next call-to-battle.
Because that means that they've "killed" another one of our soldiers.
They literally dance for joy when you spread the negativity in our own camps (PRO-gun websites) - because they know that bitterness and defeatism within the camp make it weaker and distract it from the task-at-hand.
I submit to you this - if you or I can't even make the continual, minimal effort required to click a couple of keys and send an email, or a FAX - then what possible hope can you or I have of defending our very lives - or those of our loved ones - and taking back our country, in streets running with blood, should it come to that?
We have to develop determination,discipline, a will to ACT every single time it's called for .
We have to hone an "attack mentality" - and we have to learn to recognize and appreciate every small victory we win.
Because if we don't, we will lose.
I am neither a quitter nor a loser. Not now and not in the future.
I've got your back.
Have you got mine?
Then pass me another cannonball, would you? Pete
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Post by smokeeater on Apr 23, 2009 7:52:19 GMT -5
Spy 1 I was not implying I was giving up the fight , maybe you read me wrong . I know we are exercising our patriot duty every time we make that phone call or send a fax the pressure needs to be overwhelming like you said on these reps. I think it is part of there motive to swamp us with all this trash . p.s. thanks for the boost !!!! here is your cannonball
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Post by spy1 on Apr 23, 2009 9:20:17 GMT -5
I know you're not giving up, smokeeater - none of us are. Thanks! Pete
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Post by stoner44magnum on Apr 23, 2009 9:31:57 GMT -5
smokeeater - Perhaps you haven't noticed, but there are an awful lot of parallels between what's going on currently - politically - and an actual war. The "enemy" (the dominant faction at this time), our own government, has marshaled its' forces against us. (This would be the president, his entire cabinet, his lackeys at the State and Federal levels, left-wing judges, etc.). That would be the "enemies' " troops. Arrayed against the enemy troops are you, I and every other freedom and Constitution-loving person in this country - as well as some good politician's and judges. The opening salvo in the war we're currently engaged in was fired when the enemy declared their intention to saddle us with another "assault" weapon ban. Our "return fire" (our letters, our phone calls/FAX'es and emails in the thousands) neutalized that attack. And the enemy had to retreat and re-group. Were it not so, we'd already have had an A.W.B. shoved down our throat. It wasn't because our enemies remembered what happened with the first A.W.B. (which some claim cost them the following election, about which I have my doubts) - it's common knowledge that the socialist/fascists have memories as small as some of their body-parts! It was because they heard our resolve - and they saw our numbers again - even more numerous than 'before". And they knew they had lost that skirmish. So the enemy has expanded the front upon which they're attacking us: they are trying to weaken our borders (Napolitano and her "border" and "illegal immigrant" negligence) scare off our volunteers (Napolitano and her "Veteran's as potential targets for terrorist recruitment" report) cut our lines of communication (Omama and his Cybersecurity Act of 2009 and the super-mysterious "A.C.T.A" treaty/bill) chill our freedom of speech (the "Hate Crimes" bill) All of these things are looking for one thing and one thing only to achieve victory for the enemy. A lack of response from us - weakness - weariness on our part to continue the battle and the loading of the return volleys I referred to above. Causing us to be silent, and to bow the knee so that they can win. Because our dog didn't show up for the fight!In the last Administration, the American public fought "immigration reform" to a standstill due to the multitude and the tenacity of the voices raised. We have accomplished a similar victory over the A.W.B for the time-being for exactly the same reason!So don't tell me that "they don't listen" - because that's a lie. It's a lie they want you to believe. They "hear" your silence, too - and rejoice in it. When you give in to that defeatist attitude - because that's exactly what that is - then you play directly into the hands of those who would destroy you, your way of life and this country.They count on you giving up. They count on you getting tired of responding time-after-time-after-time They count on you believing that they're "not listening" - and they revel in your self-induced bitterness, despair and subsequent non-responsiveness to the next call-to-battle. Because that means that they've "killed" another one of our soldiers. They literally dance for joy when you spread the negativity in our own camps (PRO-gun websites) - because they know that bitterness and defeatism within the camp make it weaker and distract it from the task-at-hand. I submit to you this - if you or I can't even make the continual, minimal effort required to click a couple of keys and send an email, or a FAX - then what possible hope can you or I have of defending our very lives - or those of our loved ones - and taking back our country, in streets running with blood, should it come to that? We have to develop determination,discipline, a will to ACT every single time it's called for . We have to hone an "attack mentality" - and we have to learn to recognize and appreciate every small victory we win. Because if we don't, we will lose. I am neither a quitter nor a loser. Not now and not in the future. I've got your back. Have you got mine? Then pass me another cannonball, would you? Pete AMEN BROTHER!!!!!Done also!
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Post by spy1 on Apr 30, 2009 12:53:38 GMT -5
The "Hate crime" bill has passed the House of Representatives ( news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090429/pl_nm/us_usa_congress_hate ) so now our battle to get this thing defeated must move to contacting our Senators. If you "passed" contacting your Representative, now you see the result of that. People -what's it gonna take? A lot of us getting hauled off to JAIL for speaking our minds and speaking the truth before you get "involved"? With "enhanced "sentencing", no less? And, no, I'm not talking to the ones who HAVE contacted their Representative (and you know who you are - or aren't). Contact your States' Senators - NOW. The message is simple: "I am totally against the "Hate crimes" bill becoming law - and you'd better be, too!" Go here for contact info: www.theorator.com/senate.html Pete
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Post by brocktownsend on Apr 30, 2009 13:18:21 GMT -5
Done.
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Post by spy1 on Apr 30, 2009 13:27:45 GMT -5
Furthermore, here's a link to who voted and HOW they voted: clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll223.xmlIf YOUR Representative voted FOR this P.O.S. legislation, pick up the phone and ream them a NEW one!(mine didn't). Pete
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Post by aronatbc on Apr 30, 2009 15:47:32 GMT -5
Done. Although Sen. Amy Klobuchar is no friend of the Constitution or individual Rights. MN only has the one Senator right now.
Michelle Bachmann is my Rep. She's solid.
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Post by stoner44magnum on Apr 30, 2009 16:05:07 GMT -5
Dangit! Of course my mis-representing so-called representative voted for this piece of trash I guess she gets ANOTHER spank you letter. I'll post what I send all of them in the morning. These sonsabitches just aren't even slowing down!
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Post by stoner44magnum on Apr 30, 2009 16:45:49 GMT -5
This is what I sent my so-called representative. I borrowed a paragraph from you spy1 .
Ms. Kaptur, I am writing to express my absolute disgust towards you for supporting HR 1913. Any crime is a hate crime Ms. Kaptur. Hate crime legislation only serves to further divide factions of our society. H.R. 1913 is a threat to freedom of speech and religion. It is the most horrible, open-ended abortion of the First Amendment that I have ever seen - and it is SURE to be both ABUSED and MISUSED by those seeking to squelch opposition to their Parties platforms and agenda's. You can NOT have a clear conscience for voting for this bill. Ms. Kaptur, you continually seem to come out on the non-Constitutional side of many major issues. I am letting you know that WE the people will be organizing a campaign against you for 2010. You have trampled too many of our rights to be allowed to stay.
Thank you.
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Post by spy1 on May 1, 2009 0:20:23 GMT -5
Brock, Stoner, smokeeater, aronatbc , et al- That's exactly the spirit and the response we should all be exhibiting right now!
Let's keep it up. "Forward" the info to everyone in your address books - the more people involved, the better our chances of getting this proposed "law' to wind up bleeding in the dirt! Thank you. Pete
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Post by spy1 on May 1, 2009 7:46:09 GMT -5
www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31680" How Will New Hate Crimes Bill Affect Your Free Speech? by Gary Bauer 05/01/2009 .... "This week, the House of Representatives passed The Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act (HR 1913), which adds gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, and disability to the list of protected categories under federal hate crimes law." .... "There are many problems with this legislation, not least that if it becomes law it would federalize law enforcement by allowing the federal government to intervene in local criminal matters when a crime is deemed to be motivated by hatred of this or that disadvantaged group." .... "House Democrats rejected 10 Republican amendments to the bill, including provisions that would have added senior citizens, pregnant women, unborn children and members of the military, to the list of protected groups. Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) introduced an amendment that would have barred pedophiles from special protection under the statute, but Democrats took it out of the final bill." "By punishing thoughts instead of actions, hate crimes laws, or “bias-motivated crimes” as they are sometimes called, raise several questions: For instance, how will the federal government determine causation? What if, say, a homosexual were attacked by someone who believes homosexuality is a sin, but the attacker wasn’t motivated by the victim’s homosexuality but by something else entirely? What if the homosexual is attacked by someone from his or her protected class? In the notorious case of Matthew Shepard, for whom HR 1913 is named, a probable drug-related killing was assumed to be a hate crime because Shepard was gay. Only later was it revealed that the perpetrators were motivated primarily by drugs and robbery, not by Shepard’s sexual orientation. Correlation does not imply causation." Read the rest of that article at the link given. I guess one of the things that bothers me about this bill is the recurring question that keeps coming to mind - what - or who - will be the next "protected" group?Sociopaths? Multiple offenders? Radical Islamists? Left-handed people? It's the precedent of adding arbitrarily-chosen groups for "special" protection that bothers me. That, and this (this is the exact wording of the bill as passed by the House off the Thomas website): " (b) Certification Requirement- No prosecution of any offense described in this subsection may be undertaken by the United States, except under the certification in writing of the Attorney General, the Deputy Attorney General, the Associate Attorney General, or any Assistant Attorney General specially designated by the Attorney General that-- `(1) such certifying individual has reasonable cause to believe that the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of any person was a motivating factor underlying the alleged conduct of the defendant; and `(2) such certifying individual has consulted with State or local law enforcement officials regarding the prosecution and determined that-- `(A) the State does not have jurisdiction or does not intend to exercise jurisdiction; `(B) the State has requested that the Federal Government assume jurisdiction; `(C) the State does not object to the Federal Government assuming jurisdiction; or `(D) the verdict or sentence obtained pursuant to State charges left demonstratively unvindicated the Federal interest in eradicating bias-motivated violence. " Folks, "reasonable" cause is not the same as "probable" cause (probable cause requires a much higher evidentiary standard - see www.fas.org/sgp/crs/intel/m013006.pdf ). The above quote clearly reflects the fact that this "law' would (1) supercede individual State law-makers/enforcers desires to not prosecute a given case (see 2A, above) and (2) allow the Federal Government to arbitrarily jump in and add additional sentence-time to anything that had already been decided by a jury and a regular judge whose job it already is to hand down a correct sentence. If I'm wrong about this, feel free to tell me why you think so. Pete
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Post by 2ncrca on May 1, 2009 8:51:04 GMT -5
What happended to equal justice under the law? The very fact that government has established "protected classes" negates the basic concept of equality of individuals in civil or criminal litigation and sets aside a special class, or classes, apart from all others elevating the "protected classes" to a level above every other individual. THIS IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL and smacks of a privileged political class based on the personal preferences/orientations or disabilities of the individuals. Once again those of us who are characterized as not belonging to the "protected classes" are considered somehow inferior as any crime committed against us would in essence be considered less damaging.
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Post by spy1 on May 1, 2009 9:14:24 GMT -5
Wow. That was so "on-point", well-said and TRUE! Thanks! Pete
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Post by stoner44magnum on May 1, 2009 9:47:52 GMT -5
Might that be the equal protection clause this violates?
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Post by smokeeater on May 3, 2009 14:09:43 GMT -5
As long as our calls are doing some good I dont mind spending hours calling , faxing , ect . but when they fall on deaf ears at that time we need to re group
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Post by spy1 on Jun 20, 2009 11:12:23 GMT -5
Please go to www.libertyaction.org/r.asp?u=19833&RID=21015120 and sign the petition there - then please forward that link to everyone you know!Everybody - you really need to contact or RE-contact your legislators in opposition to passage of this bill - SOON. You've got "contact" links and sample email/FAX'es right here in this thread - use them. When people like Eric Holder (our A.G. - who will take our gun rights away in the blink-of-an-eye if we fall asleep for a second) come out in favor of legislation - you know it doesn't pass the "smell" test!. This push for queer "rights" over-and-above those enjoyed by normal people is wrong. There is either "equality under the law" or there is NOT.Another very disturbing trend here: www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=572398Get busy! Pete www.alarmandmuster.com/
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Post by brocktownsend on Jun 20, 2009 14:38:01 GMT -5
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Post by brocktownsend on Jun 20, 2009 15:09:30 GMT -5
(FRC. BT) After a few gains in New England, homosexual activists have been quick to say the era of same-sex "marriage" has arrived. Not so fast, say Americans! In a stunning new CBS News/New York Times poll, the public support for counterfeit marriage has dropped dramatically since the spring. Over the past two months, the number of Americans who think we should legalize same-sex "marriage" plunged from 42% in April to just 33% last week.
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Post by brocktownsend on Jun 23, 2009 14:07:19 GMT -5
libertyaction.org From the Desk of: Mat Staver, Founder and Chairman Liberty Counsel Brock, We just crossed 91,000 petitions opposing the anti-faith Hate Crimes bill but we still need nearly 9,000 more by NOON WEDNESDAY to reach our delivery goal. Please see below and encourage your friends to go here to join this petition effort: www.libertyaction.org/r.asp?u=19915&PID=21288803&P=1Mat + + + + + + + + + + U.S. Commission Opposes Hate Crimes Law Another.Perhaps you heard about the effort in Congress to pass so-called "Hate Crimes" legislation that is a stepping-stone to regulating the speech of people who support family values. I just signed a petition to stop such "hate speech" laws from going into effect. Congress is getting ready to vote on this issue and I understand this bill could be passed quickly unless citizens rise up. Please join me. Go here to sign: www.libertyaction.org/292/petition.asp?PID=21305466&P=1&NID=1
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Post by spy1 on Jul 15, 2009 11:24:37 GMT -5
There is a distinct possibility that Leahy is going to try sliding the "Hate Crimes" bill into the National Defense Authorization bill this week: leahy.senate.gov/press/200907/071309b.htmlIt is imperative that we all call our Senators - today - and tell them that we do NOT want that amendment included - and that we want it voted against when it comes up for a vote on its' own. Do NOT let them "back-door" this legislation into existence! The very fact that they're trying to use this slimy tactic to get it passed lets you KNOW the "Hate Crime" legislation is WRONG!! www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm Pete www.alarmandmuster.com/
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Post by brocktownsend on Jul 15, 2009 11:28:18 GMT -5
Done. Burr should listen, but not Hagan, of course.
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Post by spy1 on Jul 18, 2009 1:21:21 GMT -5
See this article: www.onenewsnow.com/Headlines/Default.aspx?id=607848Sen. Hagan voted for inclusion of the "Hate crimes" bill into the National Defense Authorization bill ( www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00233 ) - Sen. Burr voted against inclusion. Hagan has to go.The measure passed, 63-28, which means that the "Hate Crimes" legislation is now included in S. 1390 (National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2010). This means that it's more important than ever to contact your Senator(s) - using the link above - to tell them that if that amendment can not be "stripped" from S. 1390, then you want them to vote against S.1390 when it hits the floor. The time to fight this one off separately has passed - now we have to tell them we want the whole bill killed if S.Amdt.1511 (the "Hate Crimes" amendment) isn't stripped out. We need to call AND FAX them on this - and we need to do so quickly. Pete www.alarmandmuster.com/
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Post by brocktownsend on Jul 18, 2009 10:15:26 GMT -5
Done.
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