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Post by avordvet on Mar 14, 2011 5:19:03 GMT -5
Alabama, Mount Up! Its your turn to push the lines forward. You must start pushing back hard at the local level, and it will transmit your efforts up the chain to the federal level.... Next stop, Constitutional Carry in every state. 2nd Amendment Supporters Rally in Magic CityReported by: Chris Womack, Published: 3/06 10:02 pm The 2nd Amendment protects the rights of citizens to bear arms. One Alabama organization is trying to make sure they get the full extent of those rights. Alabama Open Carry (ALOC) is a grassroots organization dedicated to protecting and fighting for the rights of those who choose to wear their firearms in public. "A lot of people, as soon as they see a firearm in the open they either, one, assume your a law enforcement officer, or that it's illegal, that you can't do that," says Jason Jones, president of ALOC. He points to legal precedence in support of the right for citizens to open carry. "Since the 1800's there have been multiple cases to prove that alabama open carry, or, carrying a firearm openly on your hip is totally legal in Alabama.".... Read More/Get in the fight: www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/2nd-Amendment-Supporters-Rally-in-Magic-City/ZZbkB9o4Ekm-r_h3h-heEQ.cspx
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Post by stoner44magnum on Mar 14, 2011 7:42:09 GMT -5
Sadly until more citizens are educated on this issue we will continue to be harrassed by the proverbial "man with a gun" calls to police. Here in Ohio, open carry is legal as well as permitted concealed carry and it's less hassle just to conceal it and not deal with the harrassment. The police like to charge open carriers with things from disturbing the peace to inducing panic around here. They are not open carry friendly. I suppose if someone had a fat enough bank account one could take this all the way to the state supreme court, but even then I'm afraid they would rule against us in the end because afterall, our guns are soo scary that the general public should be protected from even seeing them.
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Post by avordvet on Mar 14, 2011 13:02:05 GMT -5
Sadly until more citizens are educated on this issue we will continue to be harrassed by the proverbial "man with a gun" calls to police. Here in Ohio, open carry is legal as well as permitted concealed carry and it's less hassle just to conceal it and not deal with the harrassment. The police like to charge open carriers with things from disturbing the peace to inducing panic around here. They are not open carry friendly. I suppose if someone had a fat enough bank account one could take this all the way to the state supreme court, but even then I'm afraid they would rule against us in the end because afterall, our guns are soo scary that the general public should be protected from even seeing them. That is why I always urge people to join your local or states 2A rights group... they will normally step forward to help you out, be it pointing you to a good 2A lawyer or even stepping in and fighting for you. Georgia Carry has been tenacious in battling back antiquated Georgia gun laws... one of the reasons I continue my membership and support. Don't just sit on the sidelines, all must ACTIVELY support these groups, I am not a millionaire, but what little time and funds I can donate, I do... because the cost of doing nothing will be the destruction of our way of life. Lose the Second Amendment and you have lost the Constitution. The Second Amendment was placed in the #2 position in the Bill of Rights for a very specific reason... actually two reasons; 1) for use when your freedom of speech is no longer effective and 2) As a BLATANT warning to the Federal Government. I would like to add one more thing that gives me heart, most of the Georgia Activists/Patriots I have met are also members of our State 2A group, Georgia Carry.Org... Sweet! Hopefully it is the same in other states.
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Post by brocktownsend on Mar 14, 2011 13:58:32 GMT -5
it's less hassle just to conceal it and not deal with the harrassment.
I only CCW, since with open carry you give away the element of surprise which could be deadly.
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Post by avordvet on Mar 14, 2011 14:26:09 GMT -5
it's less hassle just to conceal it and not deal with the harrassment. I only CCW, since with open carry you give away the element of surprise which could be deadly. Sorry my friend, you are putting forth a premise that is not backed in fact, no one will ever know the number of crimes that have been prevented because the bad guy saw a weapon and went elsewhere to commit their misdeeds. Some would disagree that Open Carry gives up the element of surprise... Open carry deters armed robbery in Kennesaw: www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-atlanta/open-carry-deters-armed-robbery-kennesawThere are times when I do both, I mix it up and I have gotten more positive statements about it, than negative... but what it boils down to, is that I don't make the surrendering of my Rights contingent on the "feelings" and/or motives of others.
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Post by brocktownsend on Mar 14, 2011 16:11:58 GMT -5
Damn, seems like the replies have changed places as I posted on yours again! The protection of my family comes first, not other people. We have Open Carry in NC, but I do not wish to use it.
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Post by avordvet on Mar 14, 2011 17:40:36 GMT -5
We have Open Carry in NC, but I do not wish to use it. And I completely respect your choice either way.
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Post by brocktownsend on Mar 14, 2011 17:50:22 GMT -5
By the way, where did you get your avatar?
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Post by avordvet on Mar 14, 2011 17:58:41 GMT -5
By the way, where did you get your avatar? Can't remember... been a long time, Its the Bart Simpson "War is Hell" character someone made for me. I used to have the same one on my flight helmet many years ago... until the military decided that we should all look the same... a lot of people were really miffed when their very custom designs were scraped off or taped over.
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Post by brocktownsend on Mar 14, 2011 18:06:27 GMT -5
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Post by brocktownsend on Mar 14, 2011 18:08:13 GMT -5
Heh!
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Post by stoner44magnum on Mar 15, 2011 3:15:27 GMT -5
Sadly until more citizens are educated on this issue we will continue to be harrassed by the proverbial "man with a gun" calls to police. Here in Ohio, open carry is legal as well as permitted concealed carry and it's less hassle just to conceal it and not deal with the harrassment. The police like to charge open carriers with things from disturbing the peace to inducing panic around here. They are not open carry friendly. I suppose if someone had a fat enough bank account one could take this all the way to the state supreme court, but even then I'm afraid they would rule against us in the end because afterall, our guns are soo scary that the general public should be protected from even seeing them. That is why I always urge people to join your local or states 2A rights group... they will normally step forward to help you out, be it pointing you to a good 2A lawyer or even stepping in and fighting for you. Georgia Carry has been tenacious in battling back antiquated Georgia gun laws... one of the reasons I continue my membership and support. Don't just sit on the sidelines, all must ACTIVELY support these groups, I am not a millionaire, but what little time and funds I can donate, I do... because the cost of doing nothing will be the destruction of our way of life. Lose the Second Amendment and you have lost the Constitution. The Second Amendment was placed in the #2 position in the Bill of Rights for a very specific reason... actually two reasons; 1) for use when your freedom of speech is no longer effective and 2) As a BLATANT warning to the Federal Government. I would like to add one more thing that gives me heart, most of the Georgia Activists/Patriots I have met are also members of our State 2A group, Georgia Carry.Org... Sweet! Hopefully it is the same in other states. I do actively support groups here in Ohio. I have been to a few open carry "walks" as well. It seems to have little effect upon law enforcement and the general public around here though. Sure, law enforcement leaves a group of us alone when 10-40 of us are on our walks but one person open carrying is still a target here. The groups I am a member of have done good things to help get our concealed carry laws changed for the better, but open carry is another story. It seems there is a rift within our own community here in Ohio about open carry and that is where the main problem comes from IMHO.
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Post by avordvet on Mar 15, 2011 4:55:42 GMT -5
[I do actively support groups here in Ohio. I have been to a few open carry "walks" as well. It seems to have little effect upon law enforcement and the general public around here though. Sure, law enforcement leaves a group of us alone when 10-40 of us are on our walks but one person open carrying is still a target here. The groups I am a member of have done good things to help get our concealed carry laws changed for the better, but open carry is another story. It seems there is a rift within our own community here in Ohio about open carry and that is where the main problem comes from IMHO. Then you keep pushing with smaller groups, one of the things we have done with the RTC Rallies is actively seek out and engage local law enforcement. We talk to them, show them that we are no different than them... and we ensure that they know, that WE WILL BE THE PEOPLE BACKING THEM UP SHOULD SHTF. Every rally I've been to, either I or someone else will walk over to the LEO's providing "security", introduce ourselves and talk to them about what and why we are doing the rally. Sometimes we will hang around and just chit-chat with them, the response has always been good and in some cases such as the last RTC, when Capital Police were being dicks, the ATL Police approached our guys and confirmed that the Capitol police were out of bounds, and said they would file a report on what happened. Point is, the more they see you as one of them, the better off all citizens in that area will be... believe me it took a few "illegal" arrests in our state before the LEO's finally backed off.
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Post by avordvet on Mar 15, 2011 16:58:23 GMT -5
Another thought for places at odds with anti-gun sentiments, have some pro-LEO/FD open carry events. It might take a couple of 'em to get the ball rolling but perceptions can be changed.
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Post by Brandon1 on Mar 15, 2011 20:12:38 GMT -5
Alabama is already a open carry state. But if you get inside a vehicle with your pistol then you have to have a ccw. This is from my areas district attorney. He is a good guy and when I had grand jury service well lets just some of the police did not like my pointed questions.
Oh yea we are prohibited from carry either ccw or open during political rally's.
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Post by avordvet on Mar 16, 2011 4:47:38 GMT -5
Oh yea we are prohibited from carry either ccw or open during political rally's. We used to have similar laws, but we have been laying waste to them over the past 5 years or so.
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Post by Brandon1 on Mar 16, 2011 10:37:27 GMT -5
We are working on those as we speak. Maybe we will have some elected representatives with some intelligence for a change. Although to be quite honest I am not getting my hopes up.
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