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Post by avordvet on Sept 15, 2010 18:07:29 GMT -5
Watched the History Channel's Sun Tzu -The Art of War yesterday and it was very good, although I am very familiar with Sun Tzu from my military studies. This show was great, especially where they studied the use and/or misuse of Sun Tzu's principles in the Vietnam and Civil War. The Civil War stuff was absolutely fascinating showing how Lee's defeat at Gettysburg could have been avoided. Located the series on You Tube for your perusal.... 10 videos in total - www.youtube.com/watch?v=15l6yJgYAWA
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Post by brocktownsend on Sept 15, 2010 20:11:35 GMT -5
Watched the History Channel's Sun Tzu -The Art of War yesterday and it was very good, although I am very familiar with Sun Tzu from my military studies. This show was great, especially where they studied the use and/or misuse of Sun Tzu's principles in the Vietnam and Civil War. The Civil War stuff was absolutely fascinating showing how Lee's defeat at Gettysburg could have been avoided. Located the series on You Tube for your perusal.... 10 videos in total - www.youtube.com/watch?v=15l6yJgYAWAI haven't seen it and don't know which of many reasons it may have been, but one part of the battle that has been overlooked by many is that Lee didn't just plan Pickett's Charge, but also had instructed JEB Stuart to get in the rear and create a pincer, but he was stymied in this which turned out to be the most critical event of the War.
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Post by avordvet on Sept 16, 2010 4:19:11 GMT -5
Watched the History Channel's Sun Tzu -The Art of War yesterday and it was very good, although I am very familiar with Sun Tzu from my military studies. This show was great, especially where they studied the use and/or misuse of Sun Tzu's principles in the Vietnam and Civil War. The Civil War stuff was absolutely fascinating showing how Lee's defeat at Gettysburg could have been avoided. Located the series on You Tube for your perusal.... 10 videos in total - www.youtube.com/watch?v=15l6yJgYAWAI haven't seen it and don't know which of many reasons it may have been, but one part of the battle that has been overlooked by many is that Lee didn't just plan Pickett's Charge, but also had instructed JEB Stuart to get in the rear and create a pincer, but he was stymied in this which turned out to be the most critical event of the War. In this video, they talked about Lee violating many of Sun Tzu's principles by ordering multiple attacks uphill into heavily fortified positions on Cemetery Ridge. Then ignoring Gen. Longstreet's plan to out flank the union, Attack Washington D.C. thereby drawing the Union defenders off the ridge lines that were causing so many casualties. And the then final mistake was ordering Gen. Pickett's charge across open fields into the face of fortified positions containing a battery of heavy cannon. Take the time to view the videos, the analysis is much more in-depth and there are many good lessons to take from it.
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Post by brocktownsend on Sept 16, 2010 11:45:40 GMT -5
Yes, Longstreet wanted to make them attack which they would have had to if the ANV was between the Union army and Washington and why Longstreet didn't order Pickett's charge when Lee told him. Jackson would have. Lee had 100% confidence in his infantry and he may have had a mild heart attack there. Lee Quotes www.namsouth.com/viewtopic.php?t=108&highlight=pender6. "I ought not to have fought the battle at Gettysburg; it was a mistake. But the stakes were so great I was compelled to play; for had we succeeded, Harrisburg, Baltimore and Washington were in our hands; and, we would have succeeded had Pender lived." General Lee to General G.C. Wharton
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Post by avordvet on Sept 16, 2010 15:00:55 GMT -5
Yes, Longstreet wanted to make them attack which they would have had to if the ANV was between the Union army and Washington and why Longstreet didn't order Pickett's charge when Lee told him. Jackson would have. Lee had 100% confidence in his infantry and he may have had a mild heart attack there. Lee Quotes www.namsouth.com/viewtopic.php?t=108&highlight=pender6. "I ought not to have fought the battle at Gettysburg; it was a mistake. But the stakes were so great I was compelled to play; for had we succeeded, Harrisburg, Baltimore and Washington were in our hands; and, we would have succeeded had Pender lived." General Lee to General G.C. Wharton You'll have to check out the vid as they have some great Civil War researchers that go into depth on the actions taken by Lee. Lee was originally headed towards the Baltimore area when he heard of a skirmish in the Gettysburg area, he decided to change his long term battle plans and it ended in a bloodbath for the south. Longstreet was so distraught that Lee kept throwing his men at the front line, that when Pickett approached him for the final order to attack, Longstreet just looked away.. refusing to directly give the order knowing full well that most of the men that attacked would be dead shortly. So every time Pickett asked Longstreet if he should attack, he would say nothing and look away until Pickett made the decision to attack... and Longstreet was correct, the attacking men were completely devastated losing close to 2/3rds in the initial attack against hardened fortifications. The researcher believes that if Lee had listened to Longstreet and sent a major group to attack D.C., the Union would have moved off the entrenched ridge to intercept and that would have given Lee the opening to over-run the remaining positions, and war may have had a different outcome. It was a fascinating look at the battle I hadn't seen before.
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Post by brocktownsend on Sept 16, 2010 15:22:07 GMT -5
I've been reading about the War since I was six. I like WWII also. This is my favorite book on the second day, over 600 pages on the few hours of fighting. It's a good bit cheaper than when it came out, but it is only paperback. I can't stand paperbacks which I get from my mother. Amazon.com: Gettysburg--The Second Day (9780807847305): Harry W. www.amazon.com/Gettysburg-Second-Day-Harry-Pfanz/dp/0807847305William Faulkner On Gettysburg www.namsouth.com/viewtopic.php?t=148&highlight=faulkner"For every Southern boy fourteen years old, not once but whenever he wants it is the instant when it is still not yet two o'clock on that July afternoon in 1863, the brigades are in position behind the rail fence, the guns are laid and ready in the woods and the furled flags are already loosened to break out and Pickett himself with his long oiled ringlets and his hat in one hand and his sword in the other looking up the hill waiting for Longstreet to give the word and it's all in the balance, it hasn't happened yet, it hasn't even begun yet, it not only hasn't begun yet but there is still time for it not to begin against that position and those circumstances which made more men than Garnett and Kemper and Armstead and Wilcox look grave yet it's going to begin, we all know that, we have come too far with too much at stake and that moment doesn't need even a fourteen year old boy to think this time. Maybe this time with all this much to lose and all this much to gain: Pennsylvania, Maryland, the world, the golden dome of Washington itself to crown with desperate and unbelievable victory the desperate gamble, the cast made two years ago......" William Faulkner
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