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Post by avordvet on Jan 30, 2010 9:14:28 GMT -5
Concealed carry, is it a right or a privilege?January 27, 10:10 AM,Pittsburgh Gun Rights Examiner,Dan Campbell "The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry Forty-four state constitutions explicitly protect the right to keep and bear arms. Eighteen or the forty-four state constitutions authorize the state’s legislature the constitutional authority to restrict concealed carry. These restrictions stem from a state's perceived police powers. In the states with restrictions on concealed carry [Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, & Utah] - the restrictions generally take the form of: the General Assembly shall have power to prescribe the manner in which arms may be borne. www.examiner.com/x-35389-Pittsburgh-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m1d27-Concealed-carry-is-it-a-right-or-a-privilegeAttachments:
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Post by fergus on Jan 30, 2010 11:16:54 GMT -5
It a right. The Government is just a bit confused at the moment, but we shall set them straight soon enough.
Edit: You ever notice a chick with a big gun is so damn sexy, even an ugly chick with a big gun does not seem so ugly. I guess a big gun is kinda like beer.
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Post by captiveliberty on Jan 30, 2010 15:50:31 GMT -5
"The right to keep and bear arms shall not be INFRINGED."
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Post by stoner44magnum on Jan 30, 2010 15:51:56 GMT -5
Seems to me that any state requiring law abiding citizens to get "permission", (permit), to carry would see conceal carry as a privilege, not a right regardless how the individual state constitutions read.
I believe conceal carry, defense of myself and property is a right thus not requiring permission, however our sheeple have allowed our governments at all levels to restrict rights they never were supposed to have the right to restrict.
I regret that I jumped on the band wagon when my state decided to give us "permission" to protect ourselves. If/when gun confiscation comes, where are they going to go first? That's right, those of us whom told them we have firearms by getting their "permission" to carry one "legally".
And Fergus..... ;D
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Post by jerome on Jan 30, 2010 16:56:36 GMT -5
Edit: You ever notice a chick with a big gun is so damn sexy, even an ugly chick with a big gun does not seem so ugly. I guess a big gun is kinda like beer. Yeah, I've noticed that before myself. Take a gander at this video when you get a chance. www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnmThfUvTccI believe it is a right but since when has a right gotten in the way of our government doing whatever it damn well pleases? I also agree that when the day comes that they decide to take our guns that those of us with permits to carry will be the first that they come after because we have concealable firearms and they know how to find us.
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Post by avordvet on Jan 30, 2010 17:36:20 GMT -5
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Post by lighteye on Jan 30, 2010 17:37:55 GMT -5
I think it's a duty these days.
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Post by avordvet on Jan 30, 2010 17:44:50 GMT -5
I believe it is a right but since when has a right gotten in the way of our government doing whatever it damn well pleases? I also agree that when the day comes that they decide to take our guns that those of us with permits to carry will be the first that they come after because we have concealable firearms and they know how to find us. They might try to get the permit holders first, but with the huge number out there I don't think it would work out so well for the confiscators... it would soon be a job they would not want and would fear doing. They also have families and the stress of wondering if they would make it home every night would begin take its toll.
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Post by brocktownsend on Jan 30, 2010 19:02:32 GMT -5
I believe it is a right but since when has a right gotten in the way of our government doing whatever it damn well pleases? I also agree that when the day comes that they decide to take our guns that those of us with permits to carry will be the first that they come after because we have concealable firearms and they know how to find us. They might try to get the permit holders first, but with the huge number out there I don't think it would not work out so well for the confiscators... it would soon be a job they would not want and would fear doing. They also have families and the stress of wondering if they would make it home every night would begin take its toll. She was doing a good job with the '50 in my opinion, and as far as the above, screw them, as I and many of us are on it, and the more the better. www.examiner.com/x-1417-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m1d30-What-advice-would-you-give-this-new-gun-buyer"I haven't given up on the first point, although I do fear we're just one major national disaster, natural or man-made, away from a situation where the primary focus will be on establishing control at desperate cost. As far as worrying about being on a list, my guess is we all are anyway. That's why I do my proselytizing openly. Thing is, considering some of the folks I'm friends with, and noting who regularly visits my blog and even on occasion issues warnings, I'd say one of the best ways to guarantee you're on the list is to correspond with a "homegrown terrorist" like me."
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Post by Bowhunter on Jan 30, 2010 19:58:42 GMT -5
Our rights to self defense and use of firearms pre-exist the governemnt and any of the constitutions, state or federal.
Thier powers come from us - our rights do not come from them. We grant them authority to regulate rights - we need to straighten that out in thier minds.
If they infringe upon our rights they are violating the "legal" law, the constitution - and need to be corrected.
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Post by Sedition on Jan 30, 2010 21:42:08 GMT -5
Permits don't mean much as far as "them" being able to track us. If you've ever purchased a firearm from a store or had to go thru an FFL, rest assured that they have the paperwork. They know who we are...and it frightens them as to how many of us there are.
That being said, I agree that us having to ask the master's permission to exercise a RIGHT PROTECTED by the Bill of Rights (funny how that "RIGHTS" word pops up in that document, isn't it?) is an abomination to the principles and laws that this country was founded on.
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