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Post by avordvet on Nov 20, 2013 5:16:27 GMT -5
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Post by watchful on Nov 20, 2013 9:48:52 GMT -5
Truth is a always relevant to your opinion.
Practice makes perfect! The Texans I used to know would have spit on the clip board and given the gas pedal the metal. Today though amid TSA, DHS, State Fusion Centers, and the new kids on the block FEMA we have begun to accept this as a part of our day.
While we cry and lament we are not simply not willing to say NO!
You say it is easy enough for me to say Huh?
When I carry Concealed or wear my gun I carry my permit and a drivers license. When I get out of the car where I can't carry I leave the ID with the weapon. When I go to Wally World I leave it in the car. When I go for a walk I leave it home.
I don't need an ID unless I am carrying or driving, or using a credit card. So next time you get out. unload! It makes you feel naked at first (no Id not No Gun), but after a while it makes you feel good. I also spend FRN not Credit cards except for gas and tools where I want a receipt.
It does though lead to real eye openers when you get a Cop in training wandering about checking IDs for practice. He is knocked sideways by the very idea that I am without any ID. He calls in back-up and I keep smiling. His Sgt usually has to take charge so the little guy can leave with his honor intact. I simply ask him to tell me what regulation requires me to have an ID to walk. Then I stand quietly and smile!
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Post by walfred on Nov 20, 2013 13:13:09 GMT -5
All of this leads to a very Dark place!...
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Post by avordvet on Nov 20, 2013 14:19:38 GMT -5
Know your rights and hold to them no matter the threats or intimidation. While open carrying awhile back in another county, I was approached by a LEO... *May I see your Firearms Permit... **No thank you officer that is not required by law *May I see your drivers license... **No sir, that is also not required law. *I just need to ensure you are legally carrying the weapon... **No sir, actually RAS is required prior to contact. Are you detaining me? *No I'm not... **Am I free to go? *Yes you are... **Be safe out there. Don't get into a constitutional debate with the officer, minimize the conversation/contact, just know your rights and hold to them. If it takes you being delayed to wait for a supervisor or taking the time to follow up with a grievance against an offending LEO, do it! Do it for not only for you, but also your kids and your friends... Be the example. Interrogation and Counter-Surveillance Techniquesalarmandmuster.proboards.com/thread/7723/interrogation-counter-surveillance-techniques
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Post by watchful on Nov 21, 2013 9:11:44 GMT -5
Truth is a always relevant to your opinion.
Great point made Avordvet. One more though.
In a follow up by the news crew both of the cities involved could find (or chose not to find) any of their police involved? That means : 1. The cops seen were on the testing corporations time clock (outside employment) like a cop working a Bar after shift to keep people safe. 2. They were fake cops in painted cars with just enough difference to keep the city clean.
Here in Fayetteville at our Flea Market we had a cop come in with security people from CVS drugs. They were looking for stolen or miss-shipped merchandise. They walked through and as the cop checked business and TAX ID licenses they pawed folks merchandise and claimed things were Hot or pirated or some such and ordered them removed and boxed up. This lasted till a security guard who was ex-cop ran them out of a guy's booth.
They left and never returned.
KNOW WHO YOU ARE DEALING WITH! In my store I sell knives, and Swords. I had a cop try and shut me down because "These things could be used to kill a cop". I asked him for his warrant or call number for my store and he left. He returned with a Senior Officer who smiled as he often bought stuff from me, and took the rookie away to never return.
When a cop is assigned a barricade he gets a situation number. He also gets a supervisor. Before you take any tests, or even pull in ask for these. If he tries to buffalo you call 911 as you are pulling in and keep the window up and your hands on the top of the wheel till they confirm the action or send help.
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Post by hefferman1 on Nov 21, 2013 10:14:03 GMT -5
Know your rights and hold to them no matter the threats or intimidation. While open carrying awhile back in another county, I was approached by a LEO... *May I see your Firearms Permit... **No thank you officer that is not required by law *May I see your drivers license... **No sir, that is also not required law. *I just need to ensure you are legally carrying the weapon... **No sir, actually RAS is required prior to contact. Are you detaining me? *No I'm not... **Am I free to go? *Yes you are... **Be safe out there. Don't get into a constitutional debate with the officer, minimize the conversation/contact, just know your rights and hold to them. If it takes you being delayed to wait for a supervisor or taking the time to follow up with a grievance against an offending LEO, do it! Do it for not only for you, but also your kids and your friends... Be the example. Interrogation and Counter-Surveillance Techniquesalarmandmuster.proboards.com/thread/7723/interrogation-counter-surveillance-techniquesThis is the way to do it. I have done the samething more than once, and had the same results. I was stopped for a random test, I asked if I was under arrest. The officer answered, no. I asked if I was free to leave. He called a senior officer over, and that officer told me to go.
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Post by avordvet on Nov 21, 2013 12:37:04 GMT -5
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Post by avordvet on Nov 21, 2013 13:10:46 GMT -5
Listen, many of us were raised to never question Cops... Yes Sir, No Sir... and the Police usually followed suit. But this is a new day and time, the LEO's are now self-insulated, allowed to violate a citizens rights without personal repercussion, and protected from legal prosecution.
It is well documented here that it has turned into a us vs them thing for LE, I have watched its creep over the years and now we are seeing a danger that the founders warned of; a standing army is operational within our borders. They are using military equipment, training and operational methods in a civilian law enforcement role.
Good news is, we CAN change this! We can push back against the tide, but you MUST know your rights and not be intimidated into surrendering them.
Pointed out at the last FTX, people bitch and whine about the usurpation of their rights, but they continue to surrender them, couple guys are regular travelers who submit THEMSELVES to government agents for searches, thereby surrendering their 4th and 5th amendment rights.
A couple of these people are also bloggers who regularly tear up the TSA and the government for doing it... Is it not hypocrisy of the highest order?
I have many thousands of flight hours logged and un-logged, and I have not flown in an aircraft since I left the service. Although its a pain in the ass sometimes, I will never voluntarily surrender my rights for convenience.
BTW, the young man that has been cruising as my helper for the past few years just got picked up by regional PD, and I have no doubt he will do the right thing and uphold his oath, cause I hammered it almost every day... Honor, Courage, Commitment and above all, uphold the Oath.
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Post by avordvet on Dec 18, 2013 15:47:17 GMT -5
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Post by avordvet on Jan 7, 2014 14:34:25 GMT -5
Voluntary government checkpoints spark backlashLarry Copeland, USA TODAY 12:30 a.m. EST January 7, 2014 "Five years ago it would have been a different story," says St. Charles County, Mo., Sheriff Tom Neer, who recently authorized deputies to participate in a checkpoint in his St. Louis suburb and saw a public backlash. "There're just such strong anti-government feelings among people. Under the circumstances, I would not allow them to do it again. It's just because of the perception." www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/06/government-checkpoints-driving/4265633/
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Post by avordvet on Feb 20, 2014 5:44:14 GMT -5
Motorists criticize federal study of drunk drivingBy MICHAEL RUBINKAM, Feb 20, 2:39 AM EST READING, Pa. (AP) -- Orange cones and flashing police lights confronted Ricardo Nieves as he rounded a bend on the way to his mother's house. Before he knew what was going on, Nieves said a man working for a government contractor stepped in front of his car and forced him to turn into a parking lot. There, a woman repeatedly tried to question him about his driving habits and asked for a mouth swab that would detect the presence of illegal or prescription drugs in his system. Nieves refused. Then he sued, contending his rights were violated. hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_ROADSIDE_SURVEY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-02-20-02-39-18
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Post by avordvet on Feb 26, 2014 4:56:55 GMT -5
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