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Post by avordvet on Sept 25, 2012 6:15:36 GMT -5
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Post by Cujo on Sept 25, 2012 7:25:58 GMT -5
www.rcreader.com/commentary/national-emergencies-suspend-the-constitution/Combined, this legislation is dangerous because it asserts the authority to suspend the U.S. Constitution and transfer all governance (city, county, and state) to the federal government. All that is required to assume this transfer of power is a presidential declaration of a national emergency and martial law. Has anyone noticed just how inept Congress has been? It's as though they know they are powerless against a Shadow Gov & it's enforcer the DHS. Remember under the Patriot Act Congress can be suspended.
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Post by aronatbc on Sept 25, 2012 7:39:48 GMT -5
I wouldn't say the government has been inept at all. They have done exactly what they wanted to do without so much as a serious attempt at resistance.
Evil. Corrupt. Blatant. Yes.
Inept? I'm not seeing it.
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Post by Cujo on Sept 25, 2012 7:41:06 GMT -5
Well, that's another accurate way of putting it.
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Post by brocktownsend on Sept 25, 2012 12:49:50 GMT -5
I wouldn't say the government has been inept at all. They have done exactly what they wanted to do without so much as a serious attempt at resistance. Evil. Corrupt. Blatant. Yes. Inept? I'm not seeing it. Agreed.
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Post by Cujo on Sept 25, 2012 14:01:38 GMT -5
I wouldn't say the government has been inept at all. They have done exactly what they wanted to do without so much as a serious attempt at resistance. Evil. Corrupt. Blatant. Yes. Inept? That was the wrong word to use, I agree. Treasonous is more appropriate!
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Post by brocktownsend on Sept 25, 2012 14:03:44 GMT -5
Treasonous On of my favorite words lately.
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Post by aronatbc on Sept 25, 2012 15:52:37 GMT -5
Treasonous is more appropriate! Demonstrably so. So much so that I feel that regardless of the outcome of Novembers election, charges MUST be brought against Obama, Clinton, Holder, et al.... An example must be made. You do NOT sell our Country out to it's declared Enemies.
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Post by safetalker on Sept 25, 2012 17:46:36 GMT -5
I hate to spread oil on these fires of liberty,but you have to look at everything at it's lowest level. There is no such thing as "The Department of Homeland Security"! That is just a pile of papers collated and bound into references. What we will face are Blood and Bone men and women like you and I. They will all have Mothers and Fathers, Sisters and Brothers, Sons and Daughters, and a few will even have a cat or Dog for a pet. This is what makes, or should make us strong, and them weak. They will have to look worriedly at every crowd they stand in front of and see those loved ones somewhere in the crowd. We on the other hand should always give them back a smile, and ask them to become true Americans and come on over. The longer we spend looking at these pictures of fellow American Men and women while reviling them for trying to steal our freedom the harder it will be to turn them to our side when the fighting starts. Instead of calling them names look at their eyes. If they look back hate, smile at them. If they call you a patriot agree with them and ask if they aren't too. When I speak to a LEO I don't revile them over the thousands of botched raids in the night. I ask if they are oath Keepers? The rest of the force. If they answer with a foreign accent I put them in my memory for later. If they smile I call them brother. We will need every one of these Americans when the time comes. Now is not the time to make them afraid to come over, afraid to be proud. Remember that they bleed, love, hate, and sweat, just as we do and it will be better if they do it besides us, than across from us.
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Post by smokeeater on Sept 26, 2012 9:19:18 GMT -5
We are the watchdogs of the constitution not the govt . who is stepin all over it this has been going on for decades we need to take back this country this nov.
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Post by Cujo on Sept 26, 2012 16:19:48 GMT -5
As I said before at the age of 19, I told my Capt. Before I will enforce gun control & go against the Constitution I would desert & stand with the People.
If those in the Military & LEO's hear the chest thumping then that should be their warning sign to stand with or against. They need to think for themselves and decide if they have a Line in the Sand or not!
We don't & shouldn't hate them I will stand with those who stand by their Oath, they are our fellow citizens, but if UN Lawful orders thus UN Constitutional are carried out then they need to know they gave up their Right to protect the Constitution & pit's them against their fellow citizens.
The SS also had families, house hold pets & friends. I will continue to respect & support my Brothers & Sisters in the Military & Law Enforcement Community but we shouldn't sugar coat a what if they...
And yes I do return a warm & friendly smile when I talk to the Military & LEO's reminding them of their Oaths & paint the picture of them going house to. I ask with a smile, what if someone somewhere drags your parents out & maybe your father is standing up for his rights while they beat him, can you picture that?
Safetalker has a good point though, steer them in the right direction, you'll know if they are friend or foe, respect them.
The time for sugar coating is over with, those in charge are shoving our Liberties, Rights & Freedom right up our a$$'s! It's difficult to put on a happy face at this point
But then, that's my .02
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Post by Cujo on Sept 26, 2012 17:03:50 GMT -5
I would like to think most of them will have knots in their stomachs as they perform their Civil Unrest drills or Martial Law, when their Commanders "justifies" the Governments authority to take such actions against their fellow Americans.
No one is an enemy until they violate an Oath they swore to protect or an act of treason against the faith of the American people. We have a Constitution which belongs to you & I, it is our Constitution, it is there job as it was and is our responsibility to protect it.
If they feel uncomfortable then they best do some soul searching.
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Post by milton6994 on Sept 27, 2012 7:52:25 GMT -5
What about the argument that the purpose of boot camp, etc. is to break the recruit so that he/she has no individuality and no moral compass, other than alliegence to his/her CO. The whole command structure would break down if moral compasses were part of the equation. I was watching "The Project" last night (Glenn Beck). They were talking about Muslim jihadists infiltrating our systems. One of the examples was, of course, the slime that caused the Fort Hood incident. In an interview one of the COs actually said (I'm paraphrasing) "This is a sad incident, but we must not overreact here. It would be even sadder if we suffered a setback in our diversity programs." Doesn't the military actively suppress/reject/discharge those who display opposition based on conflict with their moral compass? Isn't it the nature of the miltary and law enforcement to demand more or less blind alliegence? That crap came from above (can you say CIC?). The CO was following orders - no more, no less. All is well until the orders conflict with one's moral compass. His moral compass was compromised long ago, and I seriously doubt he would be an oathkeeper.
That "knot in the stomach" was his moral compass.
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Post by safetalker on Sept 27, 2012 8:34:00 GMT -5
Don't know about Beck, but all I learned in Basic was what a chain of command was SUPPOSED to do. I left after my time there and advanced training wondering how someone so stupid could possibly run a war. Then I went to Vietnam and found out they couldn't and that it was my job as Sergeant to provide the intelligence for my soldiers to stay alive. I was a signal type not a grunt so I may be biased. In Desert Storm(Signal Corps again) I learned that nothing had changed except they depended more on upper level to provide them what to say and most of that came from the Civil side of the command.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2012 21:24:02 GMT -5
Gentlemen, I wish to share something I personally experienced. I live in NE Atlanta. One of the last US Heroes to be killed in Iraq was from our area. His funeral was threatened with a "protest" by the bastards of the Christian church that hates military veterans.
Word went out to the military veterans and pro Constitution community to prevent the wildly misnamed "Christans" from defiling his funeral. It didn't get much press local, and zero press national. On the day of his funeral, there were over 10,000!!! people who attended his funeral, to protect his family from the intruders and to honor his service. The crowd was gigantic, as was his funeral procession. There had to have been over 500 LEO's from State County and city Forces in the crowd. I personally witnessed it, and it was incredible.
Lesson? Don't doubt for a second the size of the force that we call Brothers that will rally when SHTF.
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