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Post by avordvet on Jun 27, 2012 14:36:34 GMT -5
Actually today I fully understand the deep frustration of TL Davis and a couple of the other long term fighters in this movement who have been throwing up their hands lately. Not saying that I have not thought about it sooooooooooo many times, but I always bring myself back into the fight with "Have I done Enough?" Damn near got divorced over this crap, but it was always "Have I done Enough?" Been trying to get a group FTX together with a month wide window, let's pick a weekend and do it, no excuses. Hell yeah!, Let's Do it!, Pick at date! were the main terms bandied around... But when the rubber hit the road, and although a couple needed to be out of the area... "wife would prefer I stay home", "not enough people to do a FTX", even a "it's too hot". Most did not even take the time to respond, today I finally had my fill: Wow... a month wide window and no hits... Just gonna go back to training on my own, seems like that's the way it gonna have to be.
No disrespect meant to anyone here as you have ALL made your bones in the Patriot Movement, or I would not be associated with you. You have stood tall above all others, at great risk to you and your families. Although we have awakened many, a new direction needs to be forged on multiple fronts to push this movement forward... but few seem willing to make the walk.
Believe me when I say, yeah I know it's gonna be hot, and I don't like being in the elements anymore than anyone else, especially at my age. Yeah it's gonna be hot, its gonna be cold, its gonna be wet, it's gonna be a whole lotta bad things... But also believe me when I tell you; opfor is working their asses off to triumph during those "rough" times.
So I'll be out busting some caps somewhere this weekend.
Yours in the fight, Don
So I ask you, have we awoken all we can? Are we just wasting time fiddling while the Republic burns? Have we done enough to quench our guilt?
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Post by safetalker on Jun 27, 2012 15:52:25 GMT -5
Don In response to your question let me digress here a bit. We are all labouring here under the assumption of the people being asleep and that we need to do or say that certain something that will cause them to shake off the preceived stupor that they are in and look at the current state of events. What if we are mistaken? I ask this in all honesty. Could it simply be that what we see as a problem is not a problem to the unwashed masses of this nation? Could they look forward to a situation where no one has any rights any more? Could it be that the rank and file American is happy having every decision they may need to make being decided for them by someone else? The American that stood out, and fought, in 1776 was an immigrant mostly from the mother country of England. He or she arrived here with nothing on their backs except one set of clothes. They went into the woods, and cut out a homestead for themselves. They planted a crop of foods, and traded that food for some animals to supplement their meals. They bought guns, and went into the deep forests, and hunted wild game till the food was harvested. They cut down trees and built lean to's and later log cabins. Then in about 1774 they began to hear how bad it was to have to pay taxes for certain items. Many of these taxed items however they never used so it really didn't bother them. They listened in their weekly sermon about freedom. It was a strange concept to people who never saw the King's men. When the King decided to make them drink English Tea with new taxes they just put more pine nettles into their home made tea and added some Dandelions and bee's honey. They still weren't really up on how their freedoms were endangered. The masses of the “Patriots” were still English Citizens and were duty bound to serve the crown when ever it came upon them. However they were so far out in the woods that their fear of the Indians was more a concern than their fear of the King or his men. When war broke out very few went to fight. It was not their war. It was about city stuff and they needed their time and resources just to keep the roof on the home and food on the table. So if a group of patriots came by they heated water and sang American songs. If British troops came by they heated water and sang God save the King. When left alone they dug out all the hidden things the groups were known to take and give you a note promising pay you for later. If this civil war starts here in this nation we will see it again. The same way for the same reasons. People just want to be left alone. They want to be able to work, sleep in a warm bed, eat food of their own preparation, and watch the sun set for another day. When that last war was over the new Government went into the woods and forced everyone to pay them for their protection. It was the American Way. When the Pennsylvania back woods men were ordered to pay their taxes in gold they refused. They never used gold except for fillings in their teeth, and watch chains for Grandpa. They traded good whiskey for food, lodging, and any other service they needed. General George Washington came out of retirement to lead an Army into the Pennsylvania woods where they beat, killed, burned, and stole every thing that even looked like it opposed them. The American Way! Today the people look at the Patriot movement like they did in 1775. It doesn't have anything to do with them. They work for XYZ company, and from that receive some money that they use to buy food, clothing, and other needful things. When they or their family get sick or injured they go to the government run hospital and the Government provided Doctor makes them better. When they loose their homes to the bank the Government run welfare system sends them to a project where they can live until they get enough money to get a new one. When the police attack their home by mistake and arrest someone they call a government provided lawyer who talks quietly with them and then helps the ones not on trial learn to deal with the loss. When you and I remind them that they are slaves they may actually resent our intrusion into their lives of lies. We tell them that the police are not allowed to break into their homes. They know better because when they complained they were told by their government provided attorney it was a fluke and that they should sue the city where the lawyer got 2/3 of the money and they won the case. They just had to sign a paper promising not to sue again. We tell them what the Constitution says and they look further and notice that their Government provided house, Lawyer, unemployment check, food stamps, and social security payments are also not lawful. They sure don't need that kind of freedom! They hear on Sunday in their worship services that these are the end times. That the lord will be returning any day now to take them up to sit at his right hand for eternity. Do they want to get involved in a possibly sinful war and miss that? Do they want to possibly get injured and not have a Government Doctor to fix them up? This is what we are trying to awaken them to. I personally am working to hide my food and resources so which ever army arrives on my door first I will have it when they leave. I am training to make Wood gasifier stoves for my wife to prepare my meals when the electricity goes out. I am training to make solar power for my home so I don't need the Government power grid. I will always be available in case some one, or some ones, get their act together and need my help, but my organizing days are over. I will forever be a friend to all patriots, but my neck is officially pulled back in, and my head is below the tomato level. That is what I suggest for all of us.
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Post by Michael Downing on Jun 27, 2012 22:15:36 GMT -5
As posted earlier today below in another thread. I would like to believe I have tried to reach out and motivate others and educate on the the true meaning of Liberty and the need to prepare your family and community for what may come. The NC Rangers made an attempt to reach the community on an level acceptable to the masses but lack of participation from a lot of members, a preaching to the choir in most cases at the events that were held, a possible lack of leadership from the top and I was at the top and worst of all an unexpected shut down of the organizational site by the one and only gate keeper brought to an end an organization that still could have a made a difference and was gaining acceptance by Local Law enforcement and emergency management without hiding from their civil defense commitment to their community and to the Constitution. No one who who tries to organize any group of this type is immune to the lack of true commitment to the group and required events that are necessary to the survival of the group. I heard the same from many in charge of local CERT groups as I met with them as a Ranger where many were glad to get their vest and hard hat but it went down hill from there. I saw it in the Rangers with the exception from the dedicate few. I know other people have seen it in their county groups here in NC. Some things just do not change. The local group I have met with experiences the same thing in trying to get members together for training and organizational meetings. I wish everyone well and will check in daily but I am taking strong stock of the few I can trust and with their assistance I will hope my family unit will be strong enough to survive this mess we have created. If not then so be it. I still believe that in the vital few Liberty is not a concept to be discussed but in fact is a matter of the individuals genetic core. I am not so vain to think I am in the class of the Founders of this great experiment in Liberty but I do know I will not go quietly into the night. I sadly think the majority of the people are happy just where they are especially of they can bitch about it over a cup of coffee or a mug of beer. My earlier post is below... When some time ago News Week could have a cover showing a red hand and a blue hand clasped in a handshake with a headline "We Are All Socialists Now" there should be little doubt that even if we have not embraced total Marxism we have certainly travelled far down the path of European style socialism. The true socialists and Marxists are just upset that both sides top to bottom don't admit it and scream it from the roof tops. The American people have in their acceptance of the nanny state are living the socialist life but want to think they are still free. as a group most everyone wants their portion of the government largess. In some cases they may not want you to have your portion but they sure as hell want theirs. Freedom is not free. That does not only refer to those willing to sacrifice their lives to preserve Liberty. It also refers to the fact that Freedom and Liberty are not always easy. It takes responsibility and self reliance. It means living your life without the aid of government big or small because government exists only to protect your liberty not to give you stuff or solve your every problem. It means helping those in your community who truly need help and to do so without expecting anything in return. It means treating your neighbor as you would want to be treated yourself. I am old enough to remember when I grew up in rural NH glimpses of what those times were like long before the Great society and the birth of the nanny state. Most Americans want to live in the shadow of what once was true freedom which is nothing more than democratic socialism. Most Americans could not handle true Liberty and those in the parties on both sides, red and blue, will never give up their power and allow it to happen. They would then become insignificant servants to the people and not the almighty powerbrokers they have become today. Read more: alarmandmuster.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=10870&page=1#49279#ixzz1z3KDJfQv
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Post by Michael Downing on Jun 27, 2012 22:37:17 GMT -5
Thanks Don. Your post and my reply sent onto my group because this is something we need to come to terms with and discuss.
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Post by avordvet on Jun 28, 2012 5:38:25 GMT -5
Spinning wheels is not my style... somethings gotta give. Will it break in the direction of Freedom and Liberty? It's up in the air, look around you at the decay! Decay that people see everyday, social decay, moral decay, and people just go about their lives like it isn't there.
I have now come to the solid conclusion that most Americans are now Cowards, not the same Americans I grew up with. Those Americans have experienced freedom and yern for another fix. But the New American's are drunk on themselves... They want it all without having to support themselves.
They have a Right to a Job, They have a Right to a "living wage", They have a Right to a Free education, They have a Right to an "affordable home", they have a Right to Free medical care. They have a Right to all of this, But, with limited personal sacrifice. Absolutely disgusting, but what is more disgusting are the enablers... Us... You... Me.
Although I have denied it for many years, yeah I am a part of the root cause of this mess. In my defense, many years ago I saw the deep error of my ways, by not taking the fight back to the Statists. Yes, I too was an enabler, and I have busted my ass ever since looking for some sort of reprieve... redemption for my inaction when the fight could have been won more easily.
My only thought now, what on earth will I tell the grand-kids when they are old enough to truly understand, will I be able to tell them that I gave it all, that I looked at every avenue... and yeah, Been there Done That...
TEA Party rallies up and down the east coast... Check
9-12 Project, one of the first on board... Check
Restoring Honor Rally in D.C. with 700,000 of my best friends... Check
First Restore the Constitution Armed Rally outside of D.C., standing with true patriots, who put themselves in front of all... Check
Various other, but just as important, Restore the Constitution Armed Rallies up and down the eastern sea board... Check
Many Rallies against the various Politicians, corrupted Media outlets and their entrenched Allies... Check, Check, and Check
Not to mention the many, many hours pouring over the internet, absorbing , correlating and disseminating news that should be terrifying the crap out of the average American. Americans that I have found to be unmovable at best.
I mean how much more in the face does a tyrannical government have to get? already they can, without your consent or judicial oversight:
Conduct warrant-less monitoring of you, and any associated with you.
Store permanently and cross link ALL data (phone, net, writing) on you.
They have systematically nullified the Bill of Rights... and wish all you may, they are Not in force any more.
Then due a lack of even a hint of outrage from the American public, they passed the NDAA where they IN YOUR FACE placed provisions in there allowing the military to take an American Citizen off the street and without legal council, with out any form of judicial oversight and hold them indefinitely and without trial... forever, if they wish.
But talk about corralling chipmunks, albeit rather large and heavily armed chipmunks. What has brought me to this point is attempting to rally the people who claim to see the danger we are in, Yeah we are all busy just trying to scratch out a living, but others in our past did the same and yet found the time to give us something... something special. A Republic... and it is something that can live again, if we have the moral fortitude to fight for it.
But fighting comes in many forms and time is wasting.
I am as of now disbanding my network email list as I think no further good can come from it, if you are not awake yet? too bad... I feel for you, and hopefully your family will not suffer too much for your inaction.
On this list we have people from all walks of life, a spread of Americana.... From Military to LEO, Plummer to District Attorney, Wife to Daughter, Conservative to Liberal... hopefully all have learned something about our government, the good and the bad.
But most importantly, hopefully you have been spending the time to build your own network and getting your local community back on line, because the local communities are what will pull us out of this mess, local ties, and LOCAL government
All further comms will be to you personally and also my local RTC network.
Although not an overly religious guy, God Bless and hope to see you on the other side.
And as always,
Resist
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Post by Michael Downing on Jun 28, 2012 6:05:09 GMT -5
But most importantly, hopefully you have been spending the time to build your own network and getting your local community back on line, because the local communities are what will pull us out of this mess, local ties, and LOCAL government
Agreed. God Bless...
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Post by brocktownsend on Jun 28, 2012 10:51:01 GMT -5
They have a Right Entitlement freenorthcarolina.blogspot.com/2012/06/entitlement.htmlYou Are Not Entitled To Anything No matter your age, let us be clear — no one owes you anything. You do not deserve accolades and merit badges for following the rules. Life is not Scout Camp. Adjust accordingly.
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Post by safetalker on Jun 28, 2012 14:13:47 GMT -5
Gentlemen This is exactly what the problem is. We the people were given the laws in our Holy Bible. Since these laws were very hard and required sacrifice we narrowed them down to just 10 laws. The other 613 which told us how to obey those 10 went by the wayside. In 1775 We the people made a statement called the "Declaration of Independence" in which we itemized our rights and stated how we SHOULD go about regaining them. This was a, long document so we shortened it down to the rights and forewent the duties set fort there in. In 1789 we published our agreement to form this great nation. When it was finished it was full of duties and responsibilities, and short of Rights, so it was amended to include 10 Articles that spelled out our rights. Over the years we have made subsequent deals with our Government that replaced many of our rights with outright benefits. Benefits unlike rights have no responsibilities attached. Today we mourn our loss of rights, but are unwilling to reclaim our rights at the risk of losing our benefits.
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Post by avordvet on Jun 28, 2012 14:39:02 GMT -5
"Today we mourn our loss of rights, but are unwilling to reclaim our rights at the risk of losing our benefits."Here, let me help fix this for you... "Today some mourn our loss of their rights, but are unwilling to reclaim their rights at the risk of losing their benefits" ...and some are not.
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Post by midnightrider on Jun 28, 2012 18:33:24 GMT -5
Fare the well gentlemen. God's richest blessing on you all.(us all) Lord willing see you on the other side.
Rider
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Post by Michael Downing on Jun 28, 2012 21:19:13 GMT -5
In the words of John Paul Jones, "I have yet begun to fight."
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Post by safetalker on Jun 29, 2012 7:16:59 GMT -5
Fight means a physical conflict between two or more persons (person can mean a fictitious entity or Corporation). We can only fight when we can physically define that other person or persons and identify them to our own satisfaction. Today they are just a wisp of smoke we smell and not a physical embodiment of blood and bones. This is their power.
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