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Post by avordvet on Apr 3, 2012 4:44:08 GMT -5
Will U.S. Troops Fire On American Citizens?The Intel Hub By Avalon & Shepard Ambellas April 1, 2012 Who would believe that in the year 2012 one would have to ask if the U.S. Military would fire on American Citizen's? The question of troop involvement in a possible upcoming Martial Law scenario that is being predicted is no imaginary possibility, nor is it a "conspiracy theory". theintelhub.com/2012/04/01/will-u-s-troops-fire-on-american-citizens/
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Post by Michael Downing on Apr 3, 2012 9:38:51 GMT -5
Interesting and passed on as follows: Link Courtesy of avordvet on L&P... theintelhub.com/2012/04/01/will-u-s-troops-fire-on-american-citizens/And it is a wonder that I sleep at night. 450 million rounds of ammunition purchased by the Department of Homeland Security to be delivered in the next 5 years and just who do you think they believe they will need to use that against. Muslim extremists or Domestic terrorists? And just who do they believe those domestic terrorists to be if it is not you and me and like minded citizens. To any right minded person the answer is clear enough. As Patrick Henry said prior to the first Revolution in his ”Give me Liberty or Death” speech in 1775 to the Virginia House of Burgesses… “Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. “
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Post by brocktownsend on Apr 3, 2012 13:00:42 GMT -5
Most assuredly some will.
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Post by avordvet on Apr 3, 2012 13:14:53 GMT -5
Most assuredly some will. Most units are under control of mature NCOs, who until replaced would probably do the right thing. Its the young troopers that we need to continue to reach out to, get them thinking about Liberty and Freedom and their Duty uphold it. All it will take is a fellow family member, friend, or neighbor sitting down with these guys and reminding them of their Oaths, through my travels I interact with many .Gov's including MIL/LEO's and I never miss on a chance to "talk" to a young Soldier/Officer...
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Post by Michael Downing on Apr 3, 2012 19:49:01 GMT -5
Like some I know in Law Enforcement if the military members are stateside and things get bad to the point of falling apart many may well just head for the Ponderosa to take care of family first.
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Post by brocktownsend on Apr 3, 2012 19:53:27 GMT -5
Like some I know in Law Enforcement if the military members are stateside and things get bad to the point of falling apart many may well just head for the Ponderosa to take care of family first.
Nobrainer for me.
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Post by safetalker on Apr 4, 2012 7:40:43 GMT -5
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Post by smokeeater on Apr 5, 2012 9:37:35 GMT -5
Before any mass arrests take place on a large scale they in my opinion will come for our guns first .As we see in the rest of the world any people put into camps or or supressed by there govt have no weapons except rocks and bottles ,look what is going on in Syria or any other mid east country ,this is why the UN wants to pass the small arms treaty so bad in this country to disarm the american people .I belive most service men and women will abide by the constitution and see the true picture
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Post by Michael Downing on Apr 5, 2012 15:12:34 GMT -5
"I belive most service men and women will abide by the constitution and see the true picture"
I hope you are right but I will not bet my survival and that of my family unit on someone else seeing the true picture....
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Post by smokeeater on Apr 5, 2012 16:10:46 GMT -5
you are right I WOULD NOT TRUST my survival on someone else either but we would hope most would be on our side
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Post by safetalker on Apr 5, 2012 17:09:12 GMT -5
Lets look at this with open eyes. I spent 27 Years in Green. The Generals don't give them the obvious opportunity to decline. The troops are locked down in a predeployment secure facility. This has in my years been the fence outside Pope runway, the warehouse behind the PX in Baumholder Germany. These locations have two shared qualities. They had no phones, and no radios. They were also locked so no one from outside the Chain of Command could speak to you. When you enter you place all watches, except issued watches, phones, radios, knives, except issued knives, into plastic bags with your names on them. You remove your regular patches and replace them with mission patches. When it is time to go a truck or bus with blocked windows backs into thwe area and you, your ruck, and your weapon get on and sit down in your seat. When it pulls out you get your briefing. They tell you what you will be doing. They tell you who is the enemy. They tell you what you are to do. Just before you arrive they issue any ammo needed and you pack the mags in your ruch except for one for your weapon. Then they have you paint your face if it is not already painted. Just as you arrive they have you put on your Chemical mask so if someone uses Tear gas it won't stop you from functioning. Folks in this condition if your Mom and Dad saw you they wouldn't know you. If you saw them you would not recognize them with the mask on. Soldiers often have to do a head touch to tell each other. If they send the soldiers into the cities they will make sure that they fly them in circles for 5 to 6 hours. This way they don't know where in the world they are so they will be more malleable. They will the open fire if someone in the crowd fires at them, and you can count on an agent doing just that. You can count on agents to fire from behind and above them. The best defense will be to carry signs identifying that you are a Patriot and where you are standing. This will only work on the American soldiers. The ones enlisted in Europe, Mid East, and Mexico will be all energy and no care.
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Post by brocktownsend on Apr 5, 2012 17:38:14 GMT -5
Lets look at this with open eyes. I spent 27 Years in Green. The Generals don't give them the obvious opportunity to decline. The troops are locked down in a predeployment secure facility. This has in my years been the fence outside Pope runway, the warehouse behind the PX in Baumholder Germany. These locations have two shared qualities. They had no phones, and no radios. They were also locked so no one from outside the Chain of Command could speak to you. When you enter you place all watches, except issued watches, phones, radios, knives, except issued knives, into plastic bags with your names on them. You remove your regular patches and replace them with mission patches. When it is time to go a truck or bus with blocked windows backs into thwe area and you, your ruck, and your weapon get on and sit down in your seat. When it pulls out you get your briefing. They tell you what you will be doing. They tell you who is the enemy. They tell you what you are to do. Just before you arrive they issue any ammo needed and you pack the mags in your ruch except for one for your weapon. Then they have you paint your face if it is not already painted. Just as you arrive they have you put on your Chemical mask so if someone uses Tear gas it won't stop you from functioning. Folks in this condition if your Mom and Dad saw you they wouldn't know you. If you saw them you would not recognize them with the mask on. Soldiers often have to do a head touch to tell each other. If they send the soldiers into the cities they will make sure that they fly them in circles for 5 to 6 hours. This way they don't know where in the world they are so they will be more malleable. They will the open fire if someone in the crowd fires at them, and you can count on an agent doing just that. You can count on agents to fire from behind and above them. The best defense will be to carry signs identifying that you are a Patriot and where you are standing. This will only work on the American soldiers. The ones enlisted in Europe, Mid East, and Mexico will be all energy and no care. That's good and posted.
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Post by smokeeater on Apr 5, 2012 21:54:36 GMT -5
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Post by avordvet on Apr 6, 2012 4:24:01 GMT -5
Lets look at this with open eyes. Yeah, come on brother, lets lay it all out there... What you say IS true. But being a MilSpec Brat and later in myself, I also know that doesn't matter one Iota... Yeah remember operation "Bright Star" back in the 70's, before most of the troops even had their bags packed for this VERY highly classified mission for a first time "interface" with Egypt... damn near every family member knew damn near every facet of the Op. The info was so widespread the Military almost cancelled the mission. Desert Shield/Storm we had guys checking on each others families, when one wife asked if everything was going good at one of our Saudi Fire Bases, he told her he couldn't say where we were. She not only knew the name of the classified FB, but also produced a copy of a Military Topo map showing where the base was located... she was scolded and the map taken, and when asked where she obtained it... the "wives network". Safetalker, you know as well as I, very few secrets can actually be held... Someone ALWAYS talks and/or someone always stumbles across the info.
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Post by smokeeater on Apr 6, 2012 6:53:53 GMT -5
Something overseas ,yes definitely a covert mission but american troops firing on us citizens it will not be a secret for long remember kent state in the 60s
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Post by safetalker on Apr 6, 2012 7:45:23 GMT -5
What I was trying to make clear was that those troops may not even know where they are. The powers that be in the military are often as not members of the CFR, or if really high ranked the Tri-lateral commission. (go google CFR "Council on Foreign Relations" and Trilateral Commission members) So far as security did you know that on 911 the Northcom was in day two of an exercise to combat terrorists stealing planes and flying them into populated centers? In fact the FEMA guy goofed on his first interview after by stating "we arrived yesterday". The then Commander of NorthCom was a member of the CFR. The wives group will eventually prevail. However that will be days after you have been killed, stacked, and your toe tagged. The soldiers will be devastated, but it will be too late and if they defect they will be killed by the American people who have had friends and family killed. The Power at the top know this and like an M4 it is a weapon to maintain control.
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Post by smokeeater on Apr 6, 2012 8:36:39 GMT -5
point taken safetalker just hope that day in america never happens!! all we can do is prepare and keep everyone informed everyday
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Post by hefferman1 on Apr 9, 2012 11:01:37 GMT -5
I was going to stay out of this, but can't.
They can put the troops in NBC gear, and fly them around for hours, and even unload them in the dark.
I have been around and there is no place in the world that looks like the US, except the US. Canada looks close, but even up there the signs have French and English.
The signs in every city in the US look the same. The houses are built the same way and look the same way. The people of America speak English. We drive cars and trucks that look like American cars and trucks. The License Plates have American States Names on them.
Even wearing NBC gear, the troops will be able to tell they are in the US. I have wore that awful stuff and it doesn't make you totally blind, or stupid.
The US troops will not be fooled into firing on US Citizens, if they fire on US Citizens it will because they were ordered to fire and followed UN-Lawful orders.
The best defense against this is educating the troops and standing up against the brow beating of men like SGT. Gary Stein.
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Post by safetalker on Apr 9, 2012 18:23:30 GMT -5
hefferman1 I sure hope and pray you are right! However, before you walk up to one and ask for a light make sure.
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Post by avordvet on Apr 10, 2012 14:14:48 GMT -5
However, before you walk up to one and ask for a light make sure. Yup... The zombies are everywhere.
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Post by hefferman1 on Apr 10, 2012 15:48:53 GMT -5
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Post by Cujo on Apr 10, 2012 19:09:10 GMT -5
We'll have this discussion until judgement day. We all hope it doesn't happen but must prepare as if we expect them to fire on fellow citizens. It's called mind set.
If there is a person out there that hopes it doesn't happen or thinks it won't will be ill prepared when it does happen.
A person better have the mindset the military will fire on civilians, they're training for it. Or maybe enforcing UN Constitutional orders don't require shooting civilians.
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