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Post by DEMON EYES on Jul 6, 2009 19:47:30 GMT -5
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Post by DEMON EYES on Jul 6, 2009 19:58:02 GMT -5
Amendments to the 2010 National Defense Authorization Act, which has already been passed by the House, would empower the Attorney General Eric Holder to define gun owners, anti-abortion activists and tax protesters as domestic terrorists in light of recent federal reports that classify millions of Americans as “extremists”.
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Post by brocktownsend on Jul 6, 2009 20:03:06 GMT -5
We've got to get on our senators. This is real s---.
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Post by spy1 on Jul 6, 2009 20:36:40 GMT -5
I'm finding NO - repeat - NO - amendments either offered by Hastings (at all) nor passed that resemble anything like that in the bill as printed on Thomas. Pete
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Post by brocktownsend on Jul 6, 2009 20:42:21 GMT -5
I'm finding NO - repeat - NO - amendments either offered by Hastings (at all) nor passed that resemble anything like that in the bill as printed on Thomas. Pete I knew I liked you for some reason....!
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Post by DEMON EYES on Jul 6, 2009 20:52:14 GMT -5
THats good to know. I wil try to look for them myself as well. I sure hope it is a snipe hunt.
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Post by DEMON EYES on Jul 6, 2009 21:00:52 GMT -5
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Post by brocktownsend on Jul 6, 2009 21:24:11 GMT -5
Yes, and it was also posted here:
"Warning-Everyone Please Read"
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Post by spy1 on Jul 6, 2009 21:36:17 GMT -5
Okay - Part of it's buried in a multiple amendment section of H.AMDT.268, House Report 111-182 ( rules.house.gov/SpecialRules_details.aspx?NewsID=4333 ): "5. Hastings , Alcee (FL) Would prohibit the recruitment, enlistment, or retention of individuals associated or affiliated with groups associated with hate-related violence against groups or persons or the government but No. "5." wasn't one of the amendments that were included in passage of H.AMDT.268 (those were amendments numbered 10, 11, 23, 28, 30, 31, 32, 35, 36, 37, 38, 40, 41, 42, 47, 48, 49, 50, 53, 56, and 58). And this by Hastings: "6. Hastings , Alcee (FL) Would provide statutory authority for the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) to have access to detainees at Bagram Air Base in . Such access is pursuant to ICRC’s protocols and agreements reached between the ICRC and the appropriate authorities at Bagram Air Base." which didn't make the cut, either, AFAICT. Someone else want to dive into this thing? I'm going blind trying to read all the linked/cross-referenced documents! Pete
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Post by brocktownsend on Jul 6, 2009 21:48:17 GMT -5
Well, so far, I see it only applies to those entering the service. Does anyone else come up with something different? Actually, I have a great idea, and that is, all bills can't consist of more than 100 words, and be written above the fourth grade level, since this is about what most of our representatives can comprehend......
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Post by spy1 on Jul 6, 2009 21:54:45 GMT -5
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Post by DEMON EYES on Jul 6, 2009 21:57:08 GMT -5
The important part is the AG can decide what is an extreamist or hate group. The implication is something like this.
A 20 year old kid was interviewed by a TV station at a TEA party.
He goes to join the army and is denied enlistment siting the AG associating the TEA party movement as an extremist anti gov group.
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Post by brocktownsend on Jul 6, 2009 22:03:49 GMT -5
The important part is the AG can decide what is an extreamist or hate group. The implication is something like this. A 20 year old kid was interviewed by a TV station at a TEA party. He goes to join the army and is denied enlistment siting the AG associating the TEA party movement as an extremist anti gov group. Actually, I say bring this exact example on, as you will have Ron Paul, and many others up in arms, as well as every other non-braindead person in these United States.
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Post by 2ncrca on Jul 6, 2009 22:33:31 GMT -5
From the Congressional Record www.gpoaccess.gov/crecord/digest2009/d25JN091.htmlSkelton en bloc amendment consisting of the following amendments printed in H. Rept. 111-182: Hastings (FL) amendment (No. 5) that prohibits the recruitment, enlistment, or retention of individuals associated with groups associated with hate-related violence; Hastings (FL) amendment ( Agreed to.
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Post by brocktownsend on Jul 6, 2009 22:45:00 GMT -5
2ncrca
Just noticed Ft. Lauderdale. My father lived there with his seventh wife until he died. She died last year. They lived in Sunrise which is now part of Ft. Lauderdale, I understand. I use to go there as a late teenager, and was impressed, as you either had to be in the water or in A/C to be comfortable in the summer. This was many moons ago. I remember retired people would work in the drive-through dairy stores for the rich wage of $1 an hour! His last wife made $40 a week working in a nick-knack store in a major hotel, but they lived as well as I do today. It is absolutely amazing how far the dollar has fallen, and will fall further, for that matter. Really scary.
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Post by 2ncrca on Jul 6, 2009 22:57:47 GMT -5
Some things never change-can't survive without central air and the beach. Sunrise remains a municipality, but has become a mecca for small businesses. Although the residents no longer reflect the retirement communities of times passed. Even so, it is an attractive community of predominantly middle-class residents struggling to remain in the middle-class.
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Post by brocktownsend on Jul 6, 2009 23:13:05 GMT -5
Some things never change-can't survive without central air and the beach. Sunrise remains a municipality, but has become a mecca for small businesses. Although the residents no longer reflect the retirement communities of times passed. Even so, it is an attractive community of predominantly middle-class residents struggling to remain in the middle-class.
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Post by jhnpldng on Jul 7, 2009 18:56:02 GMT -5
It's kind of conspiracy like on thomas.gov. It shows on the GPO's (government print office) pdf that you can download but not on the web version. And it is retroactive and I quote: (A) A person discovered or determined to be associated or affiliated with a group associated with hate-related violence, as evidenced pursuant to paragraph (3), shall be immediately discharged from the armed forces, in the manner prescribed in regulations regarding discharge from service. (B) EXCEPTION.—Subparagraph (A) shall not apply to a member of the armed forces who has renounced the member’s previous affiliation or association with a group associated with hate-related violence, as determined by the commanding officer of the member BTW to get to it on thomas.gov go to thomas.loc.gov/home/c111query.html and type in H.R. 2647, make sure your searching by bill number not text. Then choose the version that's appended with EH, that's the one that passed. But they don't show the 524 section it there. Click on GPO's pdf display and that will take you to the Government Print Office's print version. Then you can save a copy of that pdf. You know, in case it's not there tomorrow, transparency my butt.
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Post by DEMON EYES on Jul 12, 2009 10:58:02 GMT -5
So all they have to do is renounce the association and it is no big deal? All they have to do is mark and org like promise keepers and then the SWHTF.
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Post by DEMON EYES on Jul 12, 2009 10:58:39 GMT -5
I ment oath keepers
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Post by spy1 on Jul 12, 2009 12:23:23 GMT -5
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