Thoughts from people on Western Rifle Shooters
Nov 20, 2011 9:41:54 GMT -5
Post by hefferman1 on Nov 20, 2011 9:41:54 GMT -5
Here are some thoughts from people on Western Rifle Shooters Association.
I hope you will find them enlightening, and thought provoking.
The perfect analogy for our two party system.
Kagan's non-recusal and what it means
James N. writes:
It is remarkable that Elena Kagan apparently plans to hear and judge the Obamacare lawsuits, although there is a documentary record of her acting as an advocate within the administration for strategies to get the bill through Congress.
Of course, many Republicans are calling for her recusal, which is absolutely required by the appropriate rules for judges.
It's interesting that no Democrats agree. That they do not agree tells us much about who and what they are.
They don't agree because they believe it would be wrong of her to follow the rules. They think it would be wrong because, for them, the purpose of Presidential appointment and Senate confirmation is to overthrow the republican system of a government with limited powers.
For the Democrats in Congress, it would make no more sense for Kagan to recuse herself that it would for her to appear in purple underwear and deliver her opinions in Norwegian.
The electoral system only works when both parties are playing the same game. That is, in our country, no longer the case.
LA replies:
Well put. The two parties are not playing the same game. They play different games, under different rules. What are these different rules? The Republicans more or less follow the laws and constitutional procedures, the Democrats deliberately and consciously break them. But the Republicans, while they complain incessantly about the Democrats, never identify this underlying fact. Why? Because that would show that the system is no longer legitimate. And the function of the Republicans, as "patriotic, conservative Americans," is to uphold the goodness and legitimacy of the system, a legitimacy which rests on the belief that everyone in American politics shares the same basic principles and loyalties. So the Republicans, as defenders of the system and its presumed basic unity, cannot expose what the Democrats are. If they exposed it, politics would be replaced by open war between two radically incompatible parties and America as we know it would come to an end.
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Tim W. writes:
You are correct. The Republicans can't bring themselves to admit that the Democrats are trying to destroy our nation. This reminds me of a funny story. In Mexico, both the good guy and bad guy pro wrestlers get cheered. The good guys are cheered for following the rules. The bad guys are cheered for cheating. Each side gets cheered for doing what they're supposed to do to make the event entertaining. The fans only boo if a good guy, frustrated by the cheating of his opponent, starts cheating as well. In that case someone is cheating who isn't supposed to cheat, so he gets booed. Staged pro wrestling thus becomes a perfect analogy to our two party system.
www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/021042.html
I think the person who wrote this hit the nail on the head, the Dems are out to destroy America, The Republicans are forced by their own restrictions from really defending America, or calling the Dems out on their true objectives.
That means we are stuck with a Mexican Wrestling Match as our form of government. It is a sham made to entertain the people and control them. This is shown by Kagan's non-recusal like nothing I can remember.
I hope you will find them enlightening, and thought provoking.
The perfect analogy for our two party system.
Kagan's non-recusal and what it means
James N. writes:
It is remarkable that Elena Kagan apparently plans to hear and judge the Obamacare lawsuits, although there is a documentary record of her acting as an advocate within the administration for strategies to get the bill through Congress.
Of course, many Republicans are calling for her recusal, which is absolutely required by the appropriate rules for judges.
It's interesting that no Democrats agree. That they do not agree tells us much about who and what they are.
They don't agree because they believe it would be wrong of her to follow the rules. They think it would be wrong because, for them, the purpose of Presidential appointment and Senate confirmation is to overthrow the republican system of a government with limited powers.
For the Democrats in Congress, it would make no more sense for Kagan to recuse herself that it would for her to appear in purple underwear and deliver her opinions in Norwegian.
The electoral system only works when both parties are playing the same game. That is, in our country, no longer the case.
LA replies:
Well put. The two parties are not playing the same game. They play different games, under different rules. What are these different rules? The Republicans more or less follow the laws and constitutional procedures, the Democrats deliberately and consciously break them. But the Republicans, while they complain incessantly about the Democrats, never identify this underlying fact. Why? Because that would show that the system is no longer legitimate. And the function of the Republicans, as "patriotic, conservative Americans," is to uphold the goodness and legitimacy of the system, a legitimacy which rests on the belief that everyone in American politics shares the same basic principles and loyalties. So the Republicans, as defenders of the system and its presumed basic unity, cannot expose what the Democrats are. If they exposed it, politics would be replaced by open war between two radically incompatible parties and America as we know it would come to an end.
- end of initial entry -
Tim W. writes:
You are correct. The Republicans can't bring themselves to admit that the Democrats are trying to destroy our nation. This reminds me of a funny story. In Mexico, both the good guy and bad guy pro wrestlers get cheered. The good guys are cheered for following the rules. The bad guys are cheered for cheating. Each side gets cheered for doing what they're supposed to do to make the event entertaining. The fans only boo if a good guy, frustrated by the cheating of his opponent, starts cheating as well. In that case someone is cheating who isn't supposed to cheat, so he gets booed. Staged pro wrestling thus becomes a perfect analogy to our two party system.
www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/021042.html
I think the person who wrote this hit the nail on the head, the Dems are out to destroy America, The Republicans are forced by their own restrictions from really defending America, or calling the Dems out on their true objectives.
That means we are stuck with a Mexican Wrestling Match as our form of government. It is a sham made to entertain the people and control them. This is shown by Kagan's non-recusal like nothing I can remember.