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Post by Michael Downing on Oct 24, 2011 14:03:35 GMT -5
I have been listening to Mike Church in the mornings on Patriot radio when I take my son to school and then head off to work. Mike Church has been speaking about the absolute necessity of the union to break down into smaller more managable mini regional republics based off common philospohy and common needs. All in all worth listening to. Back in the spring of this year Mike Church Chaired the Secession and Disunion panel at the Scholars Conference hosted by the Ludwig Von Mises Institute in Auburn AL. It is well worth the time to look over the information and listen to the audio tapes of the speeches given that are at the bottom of the page. The history of the republic and how the Union was doomed from the beginning as the likes of those such as Hamilton strove to subvert the Republic and new Constitution. From the beginning there was confilct between the Jefersonians and those that adhered to Hamiltons big government and big bank philosophy. www.mikechurch.com/Today-s-Lead-Story/mike-church-chairs-secession-and-disunion-panel.html
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Post by brocktownsend on Oct 24, 2011 14:05:48 GMT -5
the absolute necessity of the union to break down into smaller more manageable mini regional republics based off common philosophy and common needs.
I believe the same.
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Post by safetalker on Oct 24, 2011 18:32:53 GMT -5
Why? True the maniacal Washington must have it's wings clipped. However the strength of this nation is not it's governors, but rather it's governed. We don't need more leaders like Reid, Obama, and Perdue spread out more evenly. What we need is the Governed to stand up and say "Enough!". We need a return to the original Constitution for the united States. Then we return the unlawful "Democratic nation" to the Republics that were intended. They return with 50 state Republics that select their Representatives from the people and send them to represent the "People of the States" and not the Federal Corporation of "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA". We need the "We the People" to decide who runs and not the "Democracy" of parties, Unions, and cliques. Most important we need the Original 13th Amendment. “If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any title of nobility or honour, or shall without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them.” [Journal of the Senate] This should clear the courts of crimes against non humans and Corporations. This will require work but it has already started in the Republic for the united States of America.
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Post by avordvet on Oct 25, 2011 4:16:01 GMT -5
speaking about the absolute necessity of the union to break down into smaller more managable mini regional republics That is how our country was originally set up, varied "States" that were part of a Republic. Get the Federal Government out of the way and it would go back to it.
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Post by Michael Downing on Oct 25, 2011 8:02:12 GMT -5
You will not ge the Federal Government out of the way if for no other reason they do not know how to get out of the way. They have for decades existed only to self assure not only their existence but also their expansion.
Any attempt to reclam the true Sovereignty of any one state or worse yet a group of states will be met with strong resistence from the Feds. It will start at heavy litigation but do not doubt that it would end with threats of force and actual force if required. How many State Governors woudl call out the State "National" Guard to stand against the Feds/ There is a reason they ar now the national Guard.
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Post by safetalker on Oct 25, 2011 19:01:22 GMT -5
Michael As we sit here tonight there are 6 States that have started coining their own coins for use in their states only. Friday NAFTA will allow Mexican Trucking Companies on US roads. If you remember the call I invited you on there are 47 Free State Republics on board. The people are waking up. Now if we can get them to look around and not panic this should end up okay after 2012. Till then I suggest lots of stored food and ammo.
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Post by Michael Downing on Oct 25, 2011 19:34:06 GMT -5
Ron
I still believe that the divide today is greater than the divide in 1861 and certainly we have a generational entitlement society that cannot and will exist without the Socialist/Progressive agenda that has sustained them for those generations and it has been planned that way to produce a class of people dependent upon the state. There are those who truly believe that wealth should be redistributed and believe in social justice and then there are those who use this philosophy to extend their personal power and personal wealth at all costs. Those who seek their own wealth and power care not for those that will suffer and ultimately die under the new regime they intend to create for everyone and every thing is little more than one more pawn for them to maneuver around the game board in their quest for control. They will not give up power easily. So it has always been and so it will be...
I remember the call and remember being promised further contact which never came. Perhaps they have feel they have no need for another present nonbeliever. What I do know that as Don had posted it is definitely time to accelerate contacts and final preparations. I as well do not suggest anyone panics but there is no way I see this as ending up OK after 2012. Even if the S does not HTF times are going to get damn tough going forward and I for one will not trade the current wannabe masters for some new shadow government formed by some unknown group headed up by who knows who. It is best to make sure my family unit, contacts and trusted network members are solid in their preparations and ready to stand if needed and survive what may come.
As to any possible unity of 47 or more states going forward I find that very unlikely. On that call there was mention of foreign support and financial backing and I trust that not in the least. I have seen nothing to convince me that the new republic is not just another power grab by a new master who is ultimately controlled by foreign or domestic money that cares little about who gets stepped on in their quest for power. No offense meant to you or any others in the movement. It is just how I feel...
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Post by avordvet on Oct 26, 2011 3:40:30 GMT -5
Excellent thoughts... many forged by a good grasp of history.
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Post by safetalker on Oct 26, 2011 8:24:12 GMT -5
Michael My idea of Okay and yours is probably a little different. What I see for 2012 is a massive geological turmoil (did you notice the 7.2 Earth Quake in Turkey) that will completely exhaust the ability of the Nanny state in Washington to buy support. In 2012 I foresee these Earth Quakes reducing many of the larger cities to rubble. The people that live through those shakes and move out into the countryside to escape the possibility of more shakes dropping a building on them, will find refuge in tent cities. If the rest of this nation reach out and help them find vacant homes, and buildings in their smaller burgs the situation will be better than if everyone tries to run them off. Those who live through the Quakes, floods, and cold will be a more self-sufficient person. These will be broken down into two types. Those who feel that everyone owes them subsistence, and those who feel gratitude to their new neighbors for helping. Don't get me wrong here I don't intend to give any of my families resources, but if I know of a house that is empty because someone left, or the bank had repossessed it I would gladly share this with a family in need. Likewise in my home town there are many empty building suitable for refuges. Better in there than in my backyard in the snow. When the Feds shut down in self-protection, and the mobs sack Washington for the firewood and paper to burn, the elites will try to move into the states to take over. This is where the need for the Republic comes in. If, while we wait, the new Republic establishes the county leadership that can supplant the failing money driven Corporate leadership there will be a need for both planners and defenders. The time for them to get started is today though. Their interconnection to other communities will provide a larger base of protection and communications. Their established links to each other will reduce the effect of the "Mad Max" syndrome from loss of faith in Government. When the geological upheaval is done by 2013 we can have a new Republic with our 1789 Constitution as it's base of governance, or we can have a post Russian voide with a different armed gang in charge of each town. The choice is ours today. Prepare our nation as we prepare ourselves and our families, or go into seclusion and have no say. The problem with all Governance is the will of the people to take charge and let their voice be heard early. I too have a problem with any outside investment. That is why I am involved. I want my voice to resound loud and clear on just that matter. My duty is to my State and my County Settlement. In a Republic that is where the power arises. If there are no one but me crying in the winds the Republic is what it will be. If we can complete our Free State Republic with a settlement organization in every county, state, and Tribe the Republic will do as it is told. If we allow it to form top down it will be what it will be and we will once again be on the path of destruction. The choice is ours.
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