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Post by hefferman1 on Oct 17, 2011 9:25:07 GMT -5
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Post by brocktownsend on Oct 17, 2011 11:15:22 GMT -5
I posted that last night. Hilarious!
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Post by Michael Downing on Oct 17, 2011 11:56:16 GMT -5
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Post by Cujo on Oct 17, 2011 13:52:28 GMT -5
I'm ready to play & I enjoy full moons & cowgirls ;D
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Post by hefferman1 on Oct 17, 2011 17:44:07 GMT -5
Very truthful video. Islam is not a religion it is a hate filled genocidal political movement masquerading as a religion.
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Post by brocktownsend on Oct 17, 2011 17:51:07 GMT -5
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Post by Michael Downing on Oct 17, 2011 19:37:02 GMT -5
Funny how Hamas and other pro Islam groups get to post their message but because of political correctness any message promoting a view point opposed to the current Progressive view gets deleted or vilified. As safetalker's earlier post reminded me, I must not fall into the trap of trying to silence those I disagree with. If and when the time comes to pass where conflict is inevitable with those who oppose Liberty then all bets are off.
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Post by hefferman1 on Oct 18, 2011 6:54:17 GMT -5
Funny how Hamas and other pro Islam groups get to post their message but because of political correctness any message promoting a view point opposed to the current Progressive view gets deleted or vilified. As safetalker's earlier post reminded me, I must not fall into the trap of trying to silence those I disagree with. If and when the time comes to pass where conflict is inevitable with those who oppose Liberty then all bets are off. If they are calling for the destruction of the Republic and a move toward Communism, do they have protection under the Constitution? I think safetalker is way off on this.
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Post by Cujo on Oct 18, 2011 7:24:47 GMT -5
In a attempt to destroy our Nation & all it represents & our Constitution the People has full authority & the Right to protect our Constitution. Even when our Gov. refuses to.
There is a difference in threats from the Left & Islam & Free speech. Just as yelling fire in a theater is not free speech.
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Post by Michael Downing on Oct 18, 2011 8:43:30 GMT -5
While there are limits on free speech such as yelling fire in a theatre like it or not the Constitution guarantees what our founders believed were the God given rights of free speech, freedom to assemble and freedom of association. As I posted in another thread this has been a tight rope walked since this nation first came forth as evident in the Alien and Sedition Act of 1798.
These people have the right to free speech and assembly but they do not have a right to damage property in the process. I do not have the ultimate answer to solve this but I do know that you do raise one person or group up by bringing down another and you do not defend your rights by trampling on the rights of another. We can argue about where to draw the line but not the principle itself.
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Post by Cujo on Oct 18, 2011 10:10:42 GMT -5
I agree, no arguments here. The Constitution guarantees citizens unalienable Rights, whether we like it or not.
It does, emotionally, get foggy when you hear rhetoric on the demise of America whether it's from a Muslim or commi which is a citizen.
The advantage is that it brings the threats out into the open.
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Post by safetalker on Oct 18, 2011 11:07:47 GMT -5
When we say there are limits to free speech it is based upon common law. There are only three basic common laws. 1. Harm no human being. 2. Do not harm or take the property of any Human Being. 3. Do not commit fraud when contracting with any Human being. The remainder of all common law is found in the Bible. (I can send you a 3 page PDF with those laws broke out and having the Biblical reference stated) While every human being has these rights and responsibilities most only recognize those which seem to help their personal positions. The problem is one of position. If a member of the Muslim faith immigrates here and sacrifices their Sovereign status under Shari law by becoming a US CITIZEN they realize their loss immediately. This makes them angry because they thought they were gaining a position instead of losing. --------------------------------------------------------- hefferman1: If I am wrong, where, when, there are so many please point me the way. You are probably correct.
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Post by hefferman1 on Oct 18, 2011 13:59:58 GMT -5
When we say there are limits to free speech it is based upon common law. There are only three basic common laws. 1. Harm no human being. 2. Do not harm or take the property of any Human Being. 3. Do not commit fraud when contracting with any Human being. The remainder of all common law is found in the Bible. (I can send you a 3 page PDF with those laws broke out and having the Biblical reference stated) While every human being has these rights and responsibilities most only recognize those which seem to help their personal positions. The problem is one of position. If a member of the Muslim faith immigrates here and sacrifices their Sovereign status under Shari law by becoming a US CITIZEN they realize their loss immediately. This makes them angry because they thought they were gaining a position instead of losing. --------------------------------------------------------- hefferman1: If I am wrong, where, when, there are so many please point me the way. You are probably correct. We are both right and both wrong. They have a right to free speech as long as they are not a threat, or induce others to commit violence, or damage property. Now these protester's have said we need to over throw the government, and they have stated they are working toward moving the country towards Communism, which is an over throw of the Constitution, both of which are illegal. It comes down to one thing, does a Judge believe they have incised to violence and if they are a threat. Brandenburg V Ohio If he believes they are then it is illegal, if he doesn't believe that then it is legal speech. I for one think they are attempting to induce people to violence and are a threat, as they are interrupting free commerce which is the life blood of our Republic. They have also damaged property, that is why I believe they have over stepped their bounds and are no longer covered by the 1st Amendment.
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