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Post by avordvet on Sept 6, 2011 3:45:13 GMT -5
The slandering of the American conservative movement has begunBy Tim Stanley US politics Last updated: September 5th, 2011 The slandering of the conservative movement has begun. For the past month, American newspapers have been awash with stories about the religion of various Republican presidential candidates. Michele Bachmann was portrayed in the New Yorker as a fanatical wingnut. Like Rick Perry, she has been labelled a follower of Dominionism " the belief that God gave Christians authority over all the Earth. Writing for the Daily Beast, Michelle Golberg compared Dominionism to fundamentalist Islam and warned that the GOP was engaged in an "all-out assault" on the separation of church and state. This Sunday, the liberal economist Paul Krugman's grand thesis that the Republicans are now the "anti-science" party was republished in The Observer. By questioning evolution and global warming, Krugman says, the GOP has lost its right to rule. Krugman's article is a good example of what's wrong with this hogwash reporting... blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100103066/the-slandering-of-the-american-conservative-movement-has-begun/
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Post by stoner44magnum on Sept 6, 2011 7:59:44 GMT -5
In my not so humble opinion I believe conservatives do as much damage as liberals when in charge of government. Does anyone need reminded that it was "conservatives" that gave us the Patriot Act. Here in Ohio, they also gave us a smoking ban, and strip club no contact rules. Personally, I do not care what religion any politician is, as long as it is not forced down my throat and they do not use their "beliefs" to govern by because that ALWAYS leads to taking rights away from one group or another. Why can't folks (especially conservatives) just leave others alone if others are not infringing upon their rights? Neither "side" has been worried about governing based upon the Constitution for decades and to blindly support them is foolhardy at best. It used to be that conservatives only wanted to regulate our bedrooms and liberals wanted to regulate everything else.... Now the waters have been muddied to the point of not being able to tell the difference between the two. I say get maobama re-elected so the crash will occur sooner because no-one can save us. The only politician whom has a record of governing by the Constitution is Ron Paul, but unfortunately he does not have a snow balls chance of getting the nomination. And without a congress with true belief and support of the Constitution, any Constitutional leader will be peeing in the wind anyway. The rest are statist big government hacks whom play the game as most in the district of criminals do. I may just write in myself in 2012
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Post by midnightrider on Sept 6, 2011 8:42:26 GMT -5
In my not so humble opinion I believe conservatives do as much damage as liberals when in charge of government. Does anyone need reminded that it was "conservatives" that gave us the Patriot Act. Here in Ohio, they also gave us a smoking ban, and strip club no contact rules. Personally, I do not care what religion any politician is, as long as it is not forced down my throat and they do not use their "beliefs" to govern by because that ALWAYS leads to taking rights away from one group or another. Why can't folks (especially conservatives) just leave others alone if others are not infringing upon their rights? A big +1 Neither "side" has been worried about governing based upon the Constitution for decades and to blindly support them is foolhardy at best. It used to be that conservatives only wanted to regulate our bedrooms and liberals wanted to regulate everything else.... Now the waters have been muddied to the point of not being able to tell the difference between the two. I say get maobama re-elected so the crash will occur sooner because no-one can save us. The only politician whom has a record of governing by the Constitution is Ron Paul, but unfortunately he does not have a snow balls chance of getting the nomination. And without a congress with true belief and support of the Constitution, any Constitutional leader will be peeing in the wind anyway. The rest are statist big government hacks whom play the game as most in the district of criminals do. I may just write in myself in 2012
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Post by safetalker on Sept 6, 2011 12:39:52 GMT -5
Folks The problem is that of expectations. When Lil Johnny Two Face runs on the ticket that he has massive experience managing businesses and times are hard we run out and support him. We send him money and then we sit back and let him do just as he pleases. Whats wrong? Lil Johnny was elected to REPRESENT OUR INTEREST in Congress where they simply vote on prewritten regulations of which we already have more than most businesses can work within. Then when the local plant closes we blame Lil Johnny Two Faces. Representatives are there to do what we tell them to do. They are not there to manage, lead, or provide anything. He may be a worthless t#@$ but he was a representative and voted at every instance based upon our letter, cards, phone calls, or emails. It was us that failed to give him proper guidance, not he to follow it.
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Post by avordvet on Sept 6, 2011 13:26:35 GMT -5
In my not so humble opinion I believe conservatives do as much damage as liberals when in charge of government. Conservatives have not had full control of this government since... well forever. The Reagan era was the closest we have ever come to a "conservative" style government and Conservatives aren't all on the religious right as you insinuate. Either you are intentionally muddying the waters, which I don't believe or you are seriously misinformed on what a "true" conservative is... The GOP is not Conservative RINO's are not Conservative The Current Congress and Senate are not Conservative George Bush was not a Conservative So who you are talking about, I don't have a clue. But, we already have enough problems fighting with the progressives, there is no need to help them along by bandying about the old lib line that the GOP is Conservatism, when you already know full well (or should) that is not the case.
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Post by stoner44magnum on Sept 7, 2011 13:34:57 GMT -5
In my not so humble opinion I believe conservatives do as much damage as liberals when in charge of government. Conservatives have not had full control of this government since... well forever. The Reagan era was the closest we have ever come to a "conservative" style government and Conservatives aren't all on the religious right as you insinuate. Either you are intentionally muddying the waters, which I don't believe or you are seriously misinformed on what a "true" conservative is... The GOP is not Conservative RINO's are not Conservative The Current Congress and Senate are not Conservative George Bush was not a Conservative So who you are talking about, I don't have a clue. But, we already have enough problems fighting with the progressives, there is no need to help them along by bandying about the old lib line that the GOP is Conservatism, when you already know full well (or should) that is not the case. Don, I actually had a long response typed out but feel that I'd be pissing in the wind. I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine. We do agree on many issues, but I am no longer willing to accept the lesser of two evils argument. It IS a very large part of what has led us to this point. I'll just say that I refuse to support candidates whom willingly admit that they are o.k. with restricting ANYONE'S rights. Unfortunately, BOTH conservatives and liberals are all about restricting folks' rights.
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Post by avordvet on Sept 7, 2011 13:47:40 GMT -5
Conservatives have not had full control of this government since... well forever. The Reagan era was the closest we have ever come to a "conservative" style government and Conservatives aren't all on the religious right as you insinuate. Either you are intentionally muddying the waters, which I don't believe or you are seriously misinformed on what a "true" conservative is... The GOP is not Conservative RINO's are not Conservative The Current Congress and Senate are not Conservative George Bush was not a Conservative So who you are talking about, I don't have a clue. But, we already have enough problems fighting with the progressives, there is no need to help them along by bandying about the old lib line that the GOP is Conservatism, when you already know full well (or should) that is not the case. Don, I actually had a long response typed out but feel that I'd be pissing in the wind. I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine. We do agree on many issues, but I am no longer willing to accept the lesser of two evils argument. It IS a very large part of what has led us to this point. I'll just say that I refuse to support candidates whom willingly admit that they are o.k. with restricting ANYONE'S rights. Unfortunately, BOTH conservatives and liberals are all about restricting folks' rights. Actually there you go broad brushing again, I AM A Conservative and I am not about restricting anyone's rights... Again a typical lib line that has grown in popularity across the spectrum... say it enough and it becomes a fact... not! But, I'm right there with you my friend, we disagree on very little. and be assured, I will never vote the lessor of two evils... ever. But also remember that there are no "perfect" politicians, so there is no way you will ever find a politician that will hit all your hot button issues, the job will be to find some that will take us back towards the founders views. As the Republics foundations are strengthened, we can start to reverse and/or fine tune our laws, and put the Govt employees back into their proper place.
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Post by stoner44magnum on Sept 10, 2011 15:55:52 GMT -5
Don, I actually had a long response typed out but feel that I'd be pissing in the wind. I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine. We do agree on many issues, but I am no longer willing to accept the lesser of two evils argument. It IS a very large part of what has led us to this point. I'll just say that I refuse to support candidates whom willingly admit that they are o.k. with restricting ANYONE'S rights. Unfortunately, BOTH conservatives and liberals are all about restricting folks' rights. Actually there you go broad brushing again, I AM A Conservative and I am not about restricting anyone's rights... Again a typical lib line that has grown in popularity across the spectrum... say it enough and it becomes a fact... not! But, I'm right there with you my friend, we disagree on very little. and be assured, I will never vote the lessor of two evils... ever. But also remember that there are no "perfect" politicians, so there is no way you will ever find a politician that will hit all your hot button issues, the job will be to find some that will take us back towards the founders views. As the Republics foundations are strengthened, we can start to reverse and/or fine tune our laws, and put the Govt employees back into their proper place. Sorry Don, but I believe it is conservatives themselves whom have caused muddying of the waters and the broad brushing by supporting and ELECTING RINO's instead of striving for candidates whom actually have a RECORD of up-holding the Constitution at every turn, every vote, not merely in their words, but in their actions. They also muddy the waters by making rushbo and shammity the two top talk shows. Heck, those two prove they are republikratic hacks, nothing more, every election cycle, so who's really to blame for the broad brushing and the muddying of the waters? They are continuing to do that this cycle.... Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate whom has a RECORD of supporting the Constitution at EVERY turn yet barely gets a mention. The "conservative" voices, not just rushbo and shammity, seem to be supporting Mr. romneycare and now Mr. forced hpv vaccine- trans national corridor-hillary care-al goreleoni global warming since he has gotten into the race .... Do conservatives now support gay marriage, de-criminalizing marijuana, and abortion? Just curious, I haven't got that memo if that has changed. Wouldn't that be restricting folks' rights no matter how much one disagrees with their actions? For me this all about freedom in the truest sense of the word. If no-one else's rights are being violated and government money is not spent as the results of someone's actions it shouldn't be anyone's business what anyone does. Yes, I know abortion can be debated til the cows come home, but it isn't going to change current law. We (more so previous generations) have allowed our freedoms to be eroded to the point that we do not have the time left to try to change things slowly. We are one major incident away from enforced martial law, and then and change for the better will not be possible. I am at the point that I would rather have maobama re-elected than a Constitution trampling republikrat. At least we know what we're getting with him. The RINO's talk a great game, but then when in office, they act quite different. Talk about getting duped.... At least maobama told us EVERYTHING he wanted and still wants to do to our republic. I can envision maobama getting re-elected with only 35% of the vote because of a third party candidate. Enough folks like me are sick and tired of their games and will refuse to vote for republikrats, aka: the lesser of two evils.
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Post by Michael Downing on Sept 10, 2011 17:16:35 GMT -5
I consider myself a conservative and like Ron Paul I support the decriminalization of marijuana and many other drugs as well. As an employer I also support the employer's right to still drug test and not hire you if you do drugs and insurance companies to not cover you for injusry or damage done if you are under the influence of drugs. I do not care about seat belt laws except again for children under the age of 16 or motor cycle helmet laws but again the insurance companies should not be responsible to pay out for your poor judgement. Some may say that I am more Libertarian than Conservative but in fact I do not think that government has the right to regualte much of anything beyond national and public safety not personal safety.
I have voted for the lessor of two evils for way too many elections with the exception of when I voted for Reagan. I will no longer do so period and I agree with you 100% that I would prefer 4 more years of Obama than any of the candidates that I believe have a chance of winning in the present field. At the same time I do believe we need to keep pushing for the Restoration while you firm up your network and continue prepping.
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Post by brocktownsend on Sept 10, 2011 18:16:33 GMT -5
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Post by Michael Downing on Sept 10, 2011 18:42:36 GMT -5
I guess I am more Libertarian by both personal and economic issues. I am sending for my Ron Paul sticker on Monday....
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Post by brocktownsend on Sept 10, 2011 18:44:08 GMT -5
Go to the head of your class!
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Post by avordvet on Sept 11, 2011 4:45:57 GMT -5
Sorry Don, but I believe it is conservatives themselves whom have caused muddying of the waters Actually my friend the only one muddying the waters is you. I gave you many examples of why the GOP is not Conservatism yet you keep screeching the same line. But just keep telling yourself that... it is CONSERVATIVES of all stripes (including a lot of Libertarians) that are pulling this country out of the pit... It is conservatism that will reestablish this country's foundations. While Libertarians and especially the Libertarian party has done what? sit on the frigging sidelines slapping each other on the back talking about the anarchist utopia and doing absolutely nothing except running candidates that didn't have a prayer of winning, that is why they have been on the losing side of the equation since the Libertarian Party began... and why most libertarians identify themselves as having conservative principles. It is conservatism that will reestablish this country's foundations and it is blind partisanship that will indefinitely delay that re-founding. These days when a lot of citizens think of the libertarian party, what do they see? Most I have talked to see the spam from paulbots clogging their email, they see paulbots smearing fellow citizens who do not hold their beliefs, they see the paulbot attacks against fellow citizens who will not support their candidate... to put it bluntly people see something they don't want to be a part of. Now even though the above statement is an absolute fact, do I think all libertarians are like this? No I don't. You should drop the illogical Liberal based pose that Conservatism is somehow the cause of all our problems... when the exact opposite is true.
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Post by avordvet on Sept 11, 2011 5:16:45 GMT -5
The Origins of the Modern American Conservative MovementBy Lee Edwards, Ph.D., November 21, 2003 www.heritage.org/Research/Lecture/The-Origins-of-the-Modern-American-Conservative-Movement Can constitutional conservatism save America?Posted: September 06, 2011 6:04 pm Eastern © 2011 www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=342265 Conservatism and the American tradition [E]very characteristic that I’ve listed is actually a species of liberalism. I don’t mean that they are liberal in the way that we typically use the word to describe people like Nancy Pelosi or Michael Dukakis; rather, I mean liberal in its classical conception, that political philosophy that arose in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries with its deepest origins in the Social Contract theory of Thomas Hobbes, further refined by John Locke, amended by Adam Smith and Montesquieu, and put into effect by our Founders, especially in those two founding documents The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. To be clear – there is a species of conservatism within this tradition, to be sure – about which I’ll say more – but at the outset it needs to be acknowledged that we are speaking here of the difference between conservative liberals and progressive liberals, and not typically non- or anti-liberal conservatives and liberals per se. americancreation.blogspot.com/2010/10/conservatism-and-american-tradition.html
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Post by stoner44magnum on Sept 12, 2011 5:31:55 GMT -5
I consider myself a conservative and like Ron Paul I support the decriminalization of marijuana and many other drugs as well. As an employer I also support the employer's right to still drug test and not hire you if you do drugs and insurance companies to not cover you for injusry or damage done if you are under the influence of drugs. I do not care about seat belt laws except again for children under the age of 16 or motor cycle helmet laws but again the insurance companies should not be responsible to pay out for your poor judgement. Some may say that I am more Libertarian than Conservative but in fact I do not think that government has the right to regualte much of anything beyond national and public safety not personal safety. I have voted for the lessor of two evils for way too many elections with the exception of when I voted for Reagan. I will no longer do so period and I agree with you 100% that I would prefer 4 more years of Obama than any of the candidates that I believe have a chance of winning in the present field. At the same time I do believe we need to keep pushing for the Restoration while you firm up your network and continue prepping. +1! III
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Post by stoner44magnum on Sept 12, 2011 6:07:21 GMT -5
Sorry Don, but I believe it is conservatives themselves whom have caused muddying of the waters Actually my friend the only one muddying the waters is you. I gave you many examples of why the GOP is not Conservatism yet you keep screeching the same line. But just keep telling yourself that... it is CONSERVATIVES of all stripes (including a lot of Libertarians) that are pulling this country out of the pit... It is conservatism that will reestablish this country's foundations. While Libertarians and especially the Libertarian party has done what? sit on the frigging sidelines slapping each other on the back talking about the anarchist utopia and doing absolutely nothing except running candidates that didn't have a prayer of winning, that is why they have been on the losing side of the equation since the Libertarian Party began... and why most libertarians identify themselves as having conservative principles. It is conservatism that will reestablish this country's foundations and it is blind partisanship that will indefinitely delay that re-founding. These days when a lot of citizens think of the libertarian party, what do they see? Most I have talked to see the spam from paulbots clogging their email, they see paulbots smearing fellow citizens who do not hold their beliefs, they see the paulbot attacks against fellow citizens who will not support their candidate... to put it bluntly people see something they don't want to be a part of. Now even though the above statement is an absolute fact, do I think all libertarians are like this? No I don't. You should drop the illogical Liberal based pose that Conservatism is somehow the cause of all our problems... when the exact opposite is true. First off Don, I never said that conservatives are the cause of all our problems.... Politicians calling themselves liberals and conservatives equally share the blame.... I stated quite clearly that conservatives do deserve some of the bashing they get based upon their actions. Again, voting non-conservative republikrats into office instead of electing consevatives makes one wonder about conservatives true convictions. I've also never claimed that the GOP is conservative, but how many conservatives vote for demoncraps? How many conservatives are registered republikrats and ONLY vote for republikrats or are registered independents whom ONLY vote for republikrats? Sounds like blind partisanship to me.... It's kind of like most muslims are not terrorists, but most terrorists are muslim....Why don't conservatives support and elect true conservatives in the republikratic primaries? Who's really muddying the waters my friend? As Michael stated, I had been voting for the lesser of two evils for far too long and I refuse to continue down that path any longer. That is what has truly led us to this point. We have failed as citizens by allowing the politicial machine to choose our candidates for us. Accepting another lesser of two evils big government republikrat will ONLY lead to more of the same. I merely want someone to elect that will leave us alone, get out of the way of business, and discontinue our meddling in world affairs. I know to some that I seem to be wanting an "anarchist utopia", but I have to ask, how much more of the same are you willing to accept? It's impossible to change the structure when we continue to do what we always have. I'm fed up.
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Post by aronatbc on Sept 12, 2011 7:25:50 GMT -5
I've had to coin a new phrase for my political beliefs. ConservatarianI live as a conservative. I try to live a "good life" as I have come to define it. I do not harm others unless I am attacked and I try to deal with everyone else as I would like to be dealt with. However, I am pure Jeffersonian on the scope of government. Absolute minimum to provide a venue for those too weak to defend themselves. This does not include cradle to grave welfare and playing Globo-cop. I think anyone trying to push government into those "no-go" areas is automatically guilty of treason and should be shot on site out of pure self-defense. Neither side in the current two Part duo-poly has the slightest interest in making government SMALLER. Period. Palin is the only one making any noises politically right now that has actually done it, even against her own Party. Not even Ron Paul has been that effective. And she isn't running. We ARE screwed. Until we un-f*ck ourselves...
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Post by avordvet on Sept 12, 2011 11:16:02 GMT -5
I stated quite clearly that conservatives do deserve some of the bashing they get based upon their actions. Yes you did state that a number of times, without giving one example... just saying, if your gonna to make an allegation, back it with some facts. Whatcha got?... Bush?, Last Congress?, GOP as a whole? as noted NONE of them were or are "Conservative" in talk or actions. We are going into new territory now, where these people will be held to account for their actions, if they claim to be a conservative, but act as political whores instead... McCain, Lindsey Graham and Romney are great examples, then they NEED to be removed from office. My point is that, the GOP and others can claim to be "conservative" all they want, it doesn't make it true unless backed by their actions, they are RINO's AKA: Progressive/Liberal Republicans. So please stop bandying the term around when you know it to be untrue. Most of the people that regularly visit this site have a good Libertarian tilt... and that will greatly assist in OUR restoration efforts, lets not keep bandying around leftist generated talking points... and that the GOP is the Conservative party of America is one of the most ridiculous of them all. Conservatism is a way of life, not a political party.
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Post by brocktownsend on Sept 12, 2011 11:19:01 GMT -5
Conservatarian.
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Post by avordvet on Sept 12, 2011 11:21:02 GMT -5
I've had to coin a new phrase for my political beliefs. Conservatarian... I live as a conservative. I try to live a "good life" as I have come to define it. I do not harm others unless I am attacked and I try to deal with everyone else as I would like to be dealt with. Conservatarian, I like that one, as it is very close to my beliefs... Right now I would classify myself as a Constitutional Conservative.
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Post by brocktownsend on Sept 12, 2011 11:53:55 GMT -5
Also, Jeffersonian Democrat.
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Post by avordvet on Sept 12, 2011 12:17:47 GMT -5
Aw man we just lit up the red burning folder Icon... it's on now! Attachments:
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Post by avordvet on Sept 12, 2011 13:42:00 GMT -5
I think a lot of this has to do with programming, the Media and Left have been trying to demonize the Conservative movement for years.
In their fight, their main opponent has been the GOP, a corrupted GOP infested with GOP Liberals and Progressives, that slithered in under the banner of "Moderates" otherwise known as RINOs.
And yes if you take the RINO's as a group you have Conservatives AND Liberals within the spectrum. Well the Left/Media have isolated these two groups and have done a great job in their attempt to portray them as the face of the Conservative Movement.
If you take the entire Congress, there are only a handful I would call Conservative and even they step out of line occasionally.
Do Not let the left determine what Conservatism is or you will not recognize it in the end.
Just look at the rift right now, Conservatism is what will save the country... even the Progressives know this and attempt to cloak their agenda in a "conservative" shroud, which will be pulled as the legislation is implemented.
More importantly, Do Not fall into the trap of allowing the Conservative movement to be co-opted by the GOP. They are not "conservative" by nature and do not have the Conservative Movement's growth in their agenda.
Can the Conservative/TEA Party retake the GOP and re-establish it as a stark contrasting party to the socialists... Maybe, but if not, then the time is upon us to make the change and move in with a new party, we'll see next year... Right now I'm not to optimistic with the GOPs long term survival.
We as Conservatives must stand and correct the blighted image of us portrayed by the Leftists and Media cohorts, sure their will be some in-fighting within our ranks, but we must keep our eye on the ball.
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Post by stoner44magnum on Sept 13, 2011 12:51:39 GMT -5
The burning folder continues In Ohio we have examples of conservatives restricting folks' rights, which I was going to post on the first page but chose not to due to brevity. But since I was asked for proof... A conservative chrisitian group from Cincinnati got the smoking ban enacted (private property rights), an anti-gay marriage amendment passed (anti-freedom in general rights), and strip club no touch rules put in place (again private property and general freedom rights). True they are not the ones whom passed the laws, it was the voters whom didn't have the common sense to realize they were restricting freedoms of many for the piousness of the few. But they are THE group that got the ball rolling, got these monstrosities of legislative biasness on the ballot and then spent millions advertising their position on radio and TV ads. I believe that most conservatives believe in all of these examples, I haven't found any conservatives yet that think these laws were a bad idea, which makes me also believe that conservatives are all for freedom unless it's for those whom they do not agree with. If conservatives would state that they do not agree with what some do but would defend their right to do it to the death, I wouldn't feel as strongly as I do, but sadly that is not the case in far too many incidents. We do believe in many (but not all ) of the same things. But I think we just disagree on how to get there, and maybe have a slightly different definition of freedom and maybe have a different level of patience for the current political system. I have no patience left, they have been pulling this scam on the American people for generations, I'm done with it. I do not believe we have any chance of another election after this one if drastic steps are not taken, and we may not even make it to the next one. The current crop of republikrats that actually have a chance of getting the nomination will be NO different that most other big government republikrats that have ran so what are you conservatives going to do? Are y'all going to vote for the lesser of two evils yet again knowing full well that NOTHING will truly change and the very real chance of failed nation status awaits us?
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Post by brocktownsend on Sept 13, 2011 12:54:15 GMT -5
Are y'all going to vote for the lesser of two evils yet again knowing full well that NOTHING will truly change and the very real chance of failed nation status awaits us?
Absolutely, unequivocally, Hell no!
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Post by stoner44magnum on Sept 13, 2011 12:57:42 GMT -5
Are y'all going to vote for the lesser of two evils yet again knowing full well that NOTHING will truly change and the very real chance of failed nation status awaits us? Absolutely, unequivocally, Hell no! ;D
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Post by avordvet on Sept 13, 2011 14:15:02 GMT -5
which makes me also believe that conservatives are all for freedom unless it's for those whom they do not agree with. Col: "All that hates gonna burn you up kid" Robert: "keeps me warm"
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Post by safetalker on Sept 13, 2011 14:39:26 GMT -5
Here is the rub on the raw ball. I am a staunch Constitutionalist. I believe that every law, every rule, every function of Government, whether it be City, County, State, or Federal must adhere strictly to the letter and word of the Constitution. This means I can't ask my City council to pass an ordinance that will offend, effect, or reduce your rights under that Constitution. Thus if you want the federal Government to come provide you assistance with FEMA after the Hurricane I would say no. I may get my chain saw and come cut your tree off the roof, but not with other peoples money. How then can our Staunch Conservative people call for Federal Aid to our economy with MY money they took from me to keep us safe. Likewise how can my Staunch Liberal friends call for Military action against a foreign nation that has never fired a round in our direction. How can a staunch Libertarian like Ron Paul sponsor a bill to Audit The Federal Reserve a civilian Corporation. They have freedoms too, don't they? We all need to change our party before the music stops and we find ourselves without a chair. This nation was founded as a Republic. The founders each went to work with a copy of the Bible, the Common law of England and the needs for a republic. The representatives we send to Washington and out State houses today go with a list of donors demands and the Constitution OF the United States of America which was written in 1871 for Lincoln, and the mind set of a Democracy. Where did we miss the boat?
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Post by Michael Downing on Sept 13, 2011 18:36:38 GMT -5
Are y'all going to vote for the lesser of two evils yet again knowing full well that NOTHING will truly change and the very real chance of failed nation status awaits us? Absolutely, unequivocally, Hell no! Agreed to the tenth degree...
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Post by Michael Downing on Sept 13, 2011 21:21:32 GMT -5
I am surprised to see that in NY tonight Wiener's seat is up for special election and the republican candidate may well pull off a win. That is not what surprises me. What surprises me is how much of a victory this will be with a "red" rep being elected in a "blue" district. The election of Scott Brown in the MA district held by the Kennedy fella comes to mind and besides the republicans getting a so called "victory" what will the people gain. Nothing, Nada....
The whole system has become so corrupt it will collapse or go critical on it's own if time allows it to do so. As with Nero while we argue over differnces in opinion or even worse semantics Rome is burning. I for one think that while the intellectual debate over the fine points of our differences is always stimulating in the end it will be what draws us together that matters most. I do not know if it will be next week, next month or next year that we see a collapse of reality as most now perceive it but I do fear it is coming although I hope I am wrong. That being said we need to continue to prepare for it, and that being said I am sure around a camp fire or in a retreat somewhere in the future this same conversation will continue among people who truly believe in Freedom.
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