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Post by hefferman1 on May 22, 2011 21:58:58 GMT -5
"When you see discord amongst the troops of your enemy, be of good courage; but if they are united, then be upon your guard. When you see contention amongst your enemies, go and sit at ease with your friends; but when you see them of one mind, string your bow, and place stones upon the ramparts." Moslih Eddin Saddi
At this time the socialist, the jihadist, and every Anti-American group seems to be working together.
Now is the time to preparer, now is the time to wax the string on your modern day bow.
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Post by hefferman1 on May 22, 2011 22:10:11 GMT -5
"A little, and a little, collected together become a great deal; the heap in the barn consists of single grains, and drop and drop from an inundation." Moslih Eddin Saddi
None of us who have put things back, just woke up one day and did it all. We learned a little at a time, and put back supplies a little at a time.
You will get more done by setting a goal of doing a little every day, and then doing it. Then you ever will waiting to do it all at once.
That may mean you take a Hawaiian Punch plastic bottle and fill it with a 5lbs sack of flour and some bay leaves every week. In less than a half a year, you would have put back over 100 pounds of flour. If you do that with one 5lbs sack of flour, one 15 pound bag of rice, and 5 lbs of beans a week, in the same half a year, you will have 130 Lbs of flour, 390 Lbs of rice, and 130 Lbs of beans.
Believe me that will be a lot of food to have in your closet.
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Post by hefferman1 on May 22, 2011 22:19:22 GMT -5
"Remember the mightest Oak was once an Acorn." I couldn't find who first said it.
Start small in your prepping, but don't stop and you will become a might Oak, when the world needs someone to stand.
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Post by hefferman1 on May 22, 2011 22:32:27 GMT -5
"The mightiest Oak, can be fell by the smallest Axe, with enough blows." Again I don't know who said it first.
If things go wrong in this country and we must stand. Remember what ever you face can be beaten, one small blow at a time.
Let's just say a Chinese Tank is what you are facing.
A tank requires a crew to work. Most tanks need Maintenance every day, or they quickly break down. Normally the crew is four people. The crew has to leave the safety of the tank to repair the tank.
If one is removed it takes away about 1/3rd of the tanks ability to fight. If two are removed then the tank is less than 1/3rd capable. If there are 3 people removed then the tank can only run away, or it will be captured. Remember there was only one Audy Murphy. Most people that try and jump on a tank and defend it die very quickly.
Shoot the periscopes. If the driver can't see he has to expose himself. If the tank pulls back, they will have to climb out of the tank to repair the periscope. In 4th Generation Warfare they are then targets for whoever is near.
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Post by avordvet on May 23, 2011 4:56:20 GMT -5
"Remember the mightest Oak was once an Acorn." I couldn't find who first said it. Attachments:
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Post by safetalker on May 23, 2011 7:53:54 GMT -5
hefferman1 Remember also the law of nature have preference over the laws of man.
"An object in motion tends to remain in motion" "An object at REST tends to remain at rest"
"A rock rolling down hill will continue beyond the bottom unless it meets an object at rest." This carries over into the actions of men and women.
"The most common reaction of any human to adverse conditions is to do nothing until it adversely effects Sunday night Sports Programs.'
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Post by Cujo on May 23, 2011 11:33:24 GMT -5
Hefferman1 your advice is solid advice, this is how I've built up. Now the wife is PO'd she has no room for her storage. Oh well!!!
Rice, assorted beans, canned veggies, pasta, flour & wheat berries do not panic as Hefferman1 said start small & just get started.
50lb of rice is 500 serving at about 120 calories. 25 lb of pinto beans is 324 servings at about 100 cal. that is 874 servings for under $29.00 thru COSTCO.
10lb of Quaker Oats is 110 servings for under $10. 10lb of pasta approx. $7.90, 8 serv. per lb equals 80 servings at 240 cal per servings.
Gentlemen, it can be affordable, add up the above. Approx. $46, 1064 servings
Don't forget about snares, 2lb fishing line, about 24 hooks & some sinkers & lots of 550 cord.
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Post by hefferman1 on May 23, 2011 12:33:31 GMT -5
Hefferman1 your advice is solid advice, this is how I've built up. Now the wife is PO'd she has no room for her storage. Oh well!!! Rice, assorted beans, canned veggies, pasta, flour & wheat berries do not panic as Hefferman1 said start small & just get started. 50lb of rice is 500 serving at about 120 calories. 25 lb of pinto beans is 324 servings at about 100 cal. that is 874 servings for under $29.00 thru COSTCO. 10lb of Quaker Oats is 110 servings for under $10. 10lb of pasta approx. $7.90, 8 serv. per lb equals 80 servings at 240 cal per servings. Gentlemen, it can be affordable, add up the above. Approx. $46, 1064 servings Don't forget about snares, 2lb fishing line, about 24 hooks & some sinkers & lots of 550 cord. Great post, but another thing to think about is growing food. An acre garden is a big garden, but it will provide most of the food a family will need. Psst.. You can beat get a good deal by shopping around. Some of the containers are good for 10+ years. www.pleasanthillgrain.com/heirloom_seeds_survival_seed_bank_organic_heirloom_vegetable_seeds.aspxwww.victoryseeds.com/gardencan_packlist.htmlwww.underwoodgardens.com/www.survivalistseeds.com/www.seedsofchange.com/www.bountifulgardens.org/That was a 5 sec. search in which I didn't even see the company we got our seeds from. Don't forget you will need basic garden tools for this also.
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Post by the1badger on May 23, 2011 12:48:32 GMT -5
Just a little note on gardening...
You need to figure out how to produce and save seeds.
Not all plants produce seed the first year...you need to figure out how you are going to get and keep seeds.
Without the seeds which you produce yourself...you are hosed.
If anyone has questions on it give me a shout.
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Post by avordvet on May 23, 2011 14:57:04 GMT -5
Just a little note on gardening... You need to figure out how to produce and save seeds. Not all plants produce seed the first year...you need to figure out how you are going to get and keep seeds. Without the seeds which you produce yourself...you are hosed. If anyone has questions on it give me a shout. Harvesting seeds, that is something I've been reading up on, got any good info sources?
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Post by Cujo on May 23, 2011 15:31:34 GMT -5
I should have mentioned seeds. I'm prepared & being a farm boy will help.
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Post by hefferman1 on May 23, 2011 17:38:25 GMT -5
I should have mentioned seeds. I'm prepared & being a farm boy will help. I feel real bright about not saying anything about that either. I just took it for granted. Thanks the1badger. This is a group discussion, so..... Go ahead and tell us how to get seeds for an onion, get seeds for radish, get seed for broccoli, and how to grow sweet potatoes, different potatoes, and or other veggies. Ps. I know, but you brought it up.
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Post by midnightrider on May 24, 2011 7:50:24 GMT -5
We are using Heirloom seeds this year. Much bigger plot's (separated) so as not to cross pollinate. Hopeful for a small learning curve. Ojibwa, How are you keeping those rocks in your rock garden from cross pollinating? Sorry dude, I just couldn't help myself!
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Post by the1badger on May 24, 2011 8:47:50 GMT -5
"Go ahead and tell us how to get seeds for an onion, get seeds for radish, get seed for broccoli, and how to grow sweet potatoes, different potatoes, and or other veggies. "
Onions, broccoli, brussel sprouts, carrots...and others in that family require two years (typically) to set seed. So you have to be able to keep that plant over the winter and allow it to grow the second year.
For onions and garlic I just leave half a row in the ground to winter. When they pop up in the spring I dig them up and row them out.
For brussel sprouts and cabbage I will "box" them in before they get frozen in the fall in straw. Pull the straw back in the spring and they very quickly flower and go to seed.
Carrots I keep in the cellar. As soon as the ground has warmed I place six or eight of the carrots that have started to sprout. Same drill. Flower and seed.
Potatoes I just use what has survived winter storage. Sprout them and plant them.
Sweet potatoes you can actually sprout new plants from their whole leaves. Snip leaves mid summer from a plant, dip it in rooting hormone and plant them. Grow the plants all winter inside and you can do it over and over again.
...now catching seeds...go to the dollar store or the like and get cheap nylon stockings. You have to cut them and time them into small "bags" that you can slip over the plant and tie to catch the seed. I have had better luck letting the seeds set on the plant and catch them like this verus trying to harves the plant and dry to get the seeds. Not sure why.
Does that help?
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Post by hefferman1 on May 24, 2011 10:04:10 GMT -5
"Go ahead and tell us how to get seeds for an onion, get seeds for radish, get seed for broccoli, and how to grow sweet potatoes, different potatoes, and or other veggies. " Onions, broccoli, brussel sprouts, carrots...and others in that family require two years (typically) to set seed. So you have to be able to keep that plant over the winter and allow it to grow the second year. For onions and garlic I just leave half a row in the ground to winter. When they pop up in the spring I dig them up and row them out. For brussel sprouts and cabbage I will "box" them in before they get frozen in the fall in straw. Pull the straw back in the spring and they very quickly flower and go to seed. Carrots I keep in the cellar. As soon as the ground has warmed I place six or eight of the carrots that have started to sprout. Same drill. Flower and seed. Potatoes I just use what has survived winter storage. Sprout them and plant them. Sweet potatoes you can actually sprout new plants from their whole leaves. Snip leaves mid summer from a plant, dip it in rooting hormone and plant them. Grow the plants all winter inside and you can do it over and over again. ...now catching seeds...go to the dollar store or the like and get cheap nylon stockings. You have to cut them and time them into small "bags" that you can slip over the plant and tie to catch the seed. I have had better luck letting the seeds set on the plant and catch them like this verus trying to harves the plant and dry to get the seeds. Not sure why. Does that help? Great job. I like the idea of the cheap nylons, and will have to try it.
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Post by hefferman1 on May 24, 2011 14:55:41 GMT -5
Today I spent less than $10 and got two bags of flour, (one self rising, one all purpose), a bag of sugar, and four boxes of elbow macaroni, and four cans of Tuna fish for long term storage.
We normally make a purchase like this every time we go grocery shopping. Needless to say this is not expensive and has slowly built up a good supply of food for our long term storage supply.
We used to store things like this in 5 gallon buckets with mylar bags. However we noticed that if it is used a 5 gallon bucket of flour, rice, beans, or any things else is too much unless feeding a large group.
We now store them in smaller containers, that are more friendly to use in small batches. Our new favorite container is either Arizona Tea, or Hawaiian gallon jugs. Both are very sturdy and you can tell what is inside of the container.
The flour we bought today will be stored like this. First it will be placed in the freezer for a week to kill any bugs that might be inside the bag. Then it will be put in the container with two bay leaves in the bottom, flour put inside, and then two bay leaves on top.
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Post by avordvet on May 24, 2011 15:11:06 GMT -5
We set up shelves in a below ground area, and store all of our supplies in clear flat containers so we can see everything.
We have "flats" that hold various items in groups... Pasta, Rice/Beans, Flour, Sugar etc.
Some of the items we have Vacuum sealed and stacked. We break down stuff like the large boxes of instant potatoes and put them into 2-4 cup vacuum bags, then seal them back in the original container.
We also try to keep from stacking cans and other items too deep, so they will be viewed, used and/or rotated easily.
The 2L coke/pepsi bottle container flats make a great can storage container that can be stacked and segregated.
Even though it may take up more space for storage by spreading everything out a little more, you will be more likely to use the items before they go to waste.
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Post by midnightrider on May 24, 2011 16:11:22 GMT -5
We have went with Red Wheat Berries for making bread. Storage live is very good. We grind when needed. For flour we are getting smarter with the bay leaves. How are you preserving instant taters? They tend to have a shorter shelve life.
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Post by avordvet on May 24, 2011 17:13:33 GMT -5
We have went with Red Wheat Berries for making bread. Storage live is very good. We grind when needed. For flour we are getting smarter with the bay leaves. How are you preserving instant taters? They tend to have a shorter shelve life. The shelf life is actually pretty good with Instant Potatoes, just keep in mind that the enemy of long term food storage is light, temperature and air infiltration. Many foods are good well beyond their "Use By Date", although they may lose some taste and/or nutrient value. Instant Potatoes have an average shelf life of around 18 months, But, keep in mind that is just the end of the "Optimal" use period. For stuff like Instant Potatoes, we vacuum seal them into smaller portions, seal them back in their original opaque bag, and store on a cool darkened shelf... Remember, even the smallest amount of light generates energy, so all of my shelves are covered to prevent light intrusion on a daily basis
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Post by jimbravo on May 25, 2011 3:18:11 GMT -5
Today I spent less than $10 and got two bags of flour, (one self rising, one all purpose), a bag of sugar, and four boxes of elbow macaroni, and four cans of Tuna fish for long term storage. We normally make a purchase like this every time we go grocery shopping. Needless to say this is not expensive and has slowly built up a good supply of food for our long term storage supply. We used to store things like this in 5 gallon buckets with mylar bags. However we noticed that if it is used a 5 gallon bucket of flour, rice, beans, or any things else is too much unless feeding a large group. We now store them in smaller containers, that are more friendly to use in small batches. Our new favorite container is either Arizona Tea, or Hawaiian gallon jugs. Both are very sturdy and you can tell what is inside of the container. The flour we bought today will be stored like this. First it will be placed in the freezer for a week to kill any bugs that might be inside the bag. Then it will be put in the container with two bay leaves in the bottom, flour put inside, and then two bay leaves on top. I've been using the 1 gallon mylars for that reason. Might not be feeding an army, you know? But if you are, just open a few more.
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Post by Cujo on May 25, 2011 8:29:38 GMT -5
These are great post, I'm learning something new or rekindled the memory.
I've done both, bulk in 5 gal cans & smaller assorted grains vaccum packed in 5 gal cans. I find the 5 gal. is easier to carry & stack if it's time to GOOD.
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Post by longtom on May 25, 2011 13:49:03 GMT -5
Question,
What would you say is the minimum size plot required to feed one person all year?
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Post by hefferman1 on May 25, 2011 14:38:27 GMT -5
Question, What would you say is the minimum size plot required to feed one person all year? What is size of the person? What do they eat? Too many questions to answer without a lot more info. Even if you can't cover all you eat, every little bit helps cut the cost of groceries, or put food back.
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Post by avordvet on May 25, 2011 15:07:29 GMT -5
Question, What would you say is the minimum size plot required to feed one person all year? You could always supplement your shortfalls at the local farmers market. If you are canning, estimate how much of a certain item you will need until the next growing season... grow what you can and fill in with local produce when necessary.
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Post by Cujo on May 25, 2011 15:20:26 GMT -5
I'm going by memory, so feel free to jump in.
I read that one (or two) acre can feed a family of four. If I remember correctly one acre can produce up to 3500lb of food.
This was a generalization without determining size & eating habits.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2011 17:42:00 GMT -5
Question, What would you say is the minimum size plot required to feed one person all year? If you go to the Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormon) website, they have information regarding that very subject, as well as what they recommend as far as minimum amounts and types of food to store to feed either one person (adult, or child). The information is contained in the section on the Bishops warehouse.
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Post by the1badger on May 26, 2011 7:20:05 GMT -5
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