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Post by the1badger on Nov 9, 2010 14:54:54 GMT -5
Okay...any way you slice or dice it...this cannot be good. www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/09/missile-shot-los-angeles-mystery-pentagon-officials/A video that appears to show a missile launch off the coast of California is so far "unexplained" by anyone in the military, a Pentagon spokesman told reporters Tuesday morning
Col. Dave Lapan said he is not able to concur with an official from North American Aerospace Defense Command/U.S. Northern Command who told Fox News earlier that there was "no threat to the homeland."
Lapan said the military doesn't know exactly what the so-called mystery missile was so can't say it's harmless.
A local CBS affiliate in Los Angeles on Monday evening captured on video the image of the "spectacular" projectile flying about 35 miles out to sea, west of Los Angeles and north of Catalina Island.
The Missile Defense Agency told Fox News it did not launch any test missile Monday night that could explain the dramatic images. The Navy and the Air Force were also unable to offer an explanation.
Lapan said it does not appear that whatever was flying was part of a "regularly scheduled missile test." He noted that before a missile test, notifications are sent to mariners and airmen. This does not appear to be the case here.
At this point, the military is working only with video taken from the local news camera, and NORAD and Northcom apparently were not able to detect the contrail on their own.
It appears from the video, Lapan said, the object was launched from the water and not U.S. soil, though at this point there is no way to be certain.
If a test missile or an accidental missile was launched in the region it would have either come from Naval Air Station Point Mugu or Vandenberg Air Force Base. At sea it could have come from a U.S. submarine or a surface ship. But so far, it all remains a mystery.
Click here to see the video captured by KCBS in Los Angeles.
Fox News' Steve Centanni and Justin Fishel contributed to this report.www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/09/missile-shot-los-angeles-mystery-pentagon-officials/...oh and just FYI...my bet...is that it was NOT ours.
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Post by 2ncrca on Nov 9, 2010 15:03:15 GMT -5
Either the military is tight-lipped or they have been caught flat-footed. My guess is the former.
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Post by brocktownsend on Nov 9, 2010 17:15:52 GMT -5
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Post by the1badger on Nov 10, 2010 14:56:38 GMT -5
I pulled these responses to a posting for you all to see.
Sad...but comical!
travi T-BONE they must really thing we are stupid, or they want to calm us down with a lie, instead of telling us the truth, this is a ICBM fired from a sub, either chinese or other hositle, they know we are all on the verge of a revolution and if we really knew what was going on we would start to make a stand, IT IS TIME, lets take back control of our country and our lives. we cant live with these lies and illusions, they are trying to feed us....
bob Based on my extensive experience working with, and around NASA shuttles, this device has the look of an AF-27L missle. I assume the Pentagon (with whom I am in constant contact with) is trying to signal to me that they want me back.
Ha ha, nice try, gentlemen.
O I have been living in LA for 38 years and seen a lot of airplane smoke in the sky, this was no plane. At one point you can see flame from the missile. They are lying. If the government is saying a plane then something is up. I think it was a sub from another country letting us know we can come in your backyard and destroy you. It was a show/warning to the US that they can get us.
David OK kids lets review some of the governments other exlainations. Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone gunman, and was not a spy, Two US Destroyers were fired apon in the Tulkin Gulf, pulling us into the Vietnam conflict. Swiss Air flight 111 was not taken out by a rouge US missile, and of biggest of all The events of 9/11. Yeah, not a missile launch.
Montcrief This is ridiculous. Of course it isn't a plane. Think about it....how many planes fly over and around the greater LA area? A lot. How many times has a mysterious optical illusion allegedly made a plane appear to be an ICBM? Just this once, according to the government. If it was a plane, why wasn't the FAA able to say so 2 days ago? Why was NORAD and the Pentagon involved, when a simple FAA flight controller could have just said it was a plane? This takes the cake, how stupid do they think we are???
peter t Bull @#$% it was no plane
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Post by strikeforce629 on Nov 10, 2010 16:42:46 GMT -5
I like the comment that says: "False Flag Fail Blog."
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Post by walfred on Nov 11, 2010 0:37:24 GMT -5
Don't look at me!...My missile is in my pants where it belongs!...If you Check the China mans,I think you'll find his missile is missing!
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Post by avordvet on Nov 11, 2010 6:04:00 GMT -5
SLBM from China as an exclamation point to their statement about U.S. hurting the Chinese economy with QE2.
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Post by 2ncrca on Nov 11, 2010 9:16:35 GMT -5
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Post by 2ncrca on Nov 11, 2010 9:32:41 GMT -5
There was a report this morning that has since disappeared from the news. The report covered the surfacing of a Chinese navy submarine in the middle of a US naval battle fleet. According to the report it had managed to avoid sensor detection by the battle fleet. The News Ministry must be fully staffed and monitoring the news.
If anyone else saw the report please confirm.
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Post by the1badger on Nov 11, 2010 11:14:51 GMT -5
Well folks as I said this cannot be good.
If, in fact, it does tilt towards the Chinese we had all best be ready for one hell of a mess.
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Post by avordvet on Nov 11, 2010 15:41:09 GMT -5
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Post by 2ncrca on Nov 11, 2010 17:06:39 GMT -5
Thanks, Don. I saw it this morning and was going back to read the article and by the time I was ready to read it, it was gone.
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Post by NCFREEDOM on Nov 11, 2010 20:00:08 GMT -5
I have not seen that report, but I have heard it mentioned on other sites. One post for a rader is as follows
November 11, 2010 RM
Let's assume that everything we have read/heard about the supposed missile launch of the California coast is factual (no NOTAMs filed, not a military launch, no FAA or NORAD track). We are then left to deduce what it could have been. So called experts have written it off as a contrail, implying that an aircraft was responsible (note that missiles leave contrails too); but I disagree as the FAA would have tracked the aircraft (via a transponder: mode-A, S or C or ADS-B). Also, as a former China Lake (Naval Air Warfare Center) scientist I have seen missile launches and the news video I saw sure looked like a missile launch. So what could it have been?
I suspect it was the Chinese. Why? They have SLBMs (Submarine Launched Ballistic Missiles) and the subs to launch them. They also claim to have a stealth supersonic anti-ship missile. We can't forget that this happened while President Obama was visiting India (a long time foe of China) in an effort to strengthen our ties to them (India). Developing a stealth ballistic missile would be major game-changer in the strategic weapons race and launching one off our coast would send a clear message: “Do not mess with China.” RM
Would not surprise me, but really am airliner? They couldn't come up with say, it was an amateur rocket without FAA approval, etc. Would be more plausible
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Post by avordvet on Nov 12, 2010 6:30:45 GMT -5
Some blogger claimed that he "proved" it was a commercial aircraft contrail and the Govt then jumped all on it saying yeah, that's what it was... an aircraft. Still haven't seen any official release of documents (FAA, ATC records) proving this and that would have been the first thing the govt would do to prove their case that it was a contrail... But they didn't and still haven't. Missile/Rocket Expert says no doubt it was a missile off the California coastwww.examiner.com/conservative-in-san-francisco/expert-says-no-doubt-it-was-a-missile-off-the-california-coast
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Post by midnightrider on Nov 12, 2010 9:18:30 GMT -5
I doubt we will ever really know for sure.
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Post by angryconservative on Nov 13, 2010 18:14:48 GMT -5
MY two cents worth: When does a commercial aircraft ascending to altitude have a noticeable yellow after burn and why is it a single nozzle not duel or triple as you would see. More so, jet aircraft fuel when burned at lower altitudes does not emit a carbon and hydrogen based fuel con trail nor a yellow burn cone. Land based and sub based ballistic missiles use a carbon and hydrogen fuel which creates the "con trail" does from ignition. Get real, an aircraft? This was a sub based launch folks.....who? Well, there are only six powers in the world that have SSBN's with sea based ballistics. U.S., England, France, Russia, India and China. Ok, lets eliminate those whom are allies that would not fire off a ICBM off our coast to get our attention - UK, France, India, England and more than likely Russia....who is left... The blogger is more than likely a pimple faced dork living in mom's garage and could not tell the difference between a chicken sandwich and a lawn elf. China did a bow shot letting this countries government know, you monetize the debt and hurt us, we will hurt you but in the way China does business...war. But hey, thats what O wants, anxiety and fear....the push down and push up and inside out, get those whom are in panic to ask the Government to protect them... Do not kid yourself, I would not put it past O and his ilk to have coordinated this with the Chinese to make the Tea Party, 9-12 and those whom were elected on their power to back off. Better yet I will bet a fortune that those in power here are desperate and DID coordinate with China to do this. If it were me, why not....lets keep the crisis's coming....it will only help Soro's plan.. We need to dig with our resources to find out if there were orders to "relax" west coast monitoring via the coast guard, Navy etc...I bet we find out that is the case. Allow that sub to go unnoticed to do what it did...someone knows The picture below show two of five new Jin class, Type 094, long range subs launched in 2007. These ships carry 12 of the more modern JL-2s[5] ICBMS with a range of approximately 8,000 km, and is capable of targeting much of the Western Hemisphere
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Post by 2ncrca on Nov 13, 2010 18:21:51 GMT -5
Like your conclusion, AC.
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Post by 2ncrca on Nov 13, 2010 18:40:48 GMT -5
Lt Gen McInerny on Hannity states that it was a sub launched missile. From a post at Free Republic www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2626773/postsThe Lieut. General states most emphatically "I am absolutely certain that that is not an aircraft". Reporter adds: "I am not just hearing it from the General, I am hearing it from other sources too. It leaves me to wonder if NORAD knows what they are doing."
Next, Hannity is amazed to hear another reporter say "It may be a toy rocket !!!"
"It could be a bunch a kids on a boat, pranking."
(Laughable.)
The General then replies:
"If you go to any fighter squadron, Navy or Air Force, in the world today, they are going to agree with me..."
Note: He is a command pilot with more than 4,100 flying hours, including 407 combat missions during the Vietnam War. In addition to his Vietnam Service, Gen. McInerney served overseas in NATO; Pacific Air Forces, and as commander of 11th Air Force in Alaska. Currently, he is a Fox News contributor, and is a member of the Iran Policy Committee.
So, we now have:
1) The Editor at Jane's Missile Magazine, Doug Richardson, saying: "Unmistakable missile, you can tell from the exhaust plume".
2) The former Deputy Secretary of Defense, and former US Ambassador to NATO Robert Ellsworth saying "Spectacular; takes your breath away; that is an underwater sub launched ICBM missile!" and "Too big a smoke plume for the Taliban" (Gee, that's good to know).
and now we have famed Lieutenant General Thomas G. McInerney saying the exact same thing, only more emphatically, on Fox News.
So:
Whose missile? For what purpose? Related to events in Korea? G-20 warning or reply from China?
Crazy NORKs ?
Why is the US government stone walling its own people?
Embarrassment? Know any military with inside news?
Will more information leak out in coming days from shocked staffers at the Pentagon and NORAD?
Everyone ...?
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Post by angryconservative on Nov 13, 2010 18:48:07 GMT -5
Personally, it will be faked shock....if it ever comes
From those at the top....
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Post by 2ncrca on Nov 13, 2010 18:53:32 GMT -5
Personally, it will be faked shock....if it ever comes From those at the top.... Exactly. The top brass probably were standing in a puddle of their own urine-to embarrassed that they were caught flat-footed and too afraid to admit it to the American people.
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Post by angryconservative on Nov 13, 2010 19:02:56 GMT -5
Personally, it will be faked shock....if it ever comes From those at the top.... Exactly. The top brass probably were standing in a puddle of their own urine-to embarrassed that they were caught flat-footed and too afraid to admit it to the American people. No, my point is there are those whom knew it was coming, allowed and even more helped make it happen. But those lower in the food chain are left being "deer looking into a headlamp". That sub folks, is two generations behind ours....do the math, a ship that has a noise signature of a Harley 1600 CC with Duel Hines exhaust doing 100 MPH it should have been heard when it left the China Sea....And it was.... One Los Angles Class Sub has the ability to pick up a noise like that with Ronald McDonald at the Sonar. Let alone with the SOSAS network..... But, when someone up the food chain say's....disregard.....you follow orders...
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Post by 2ncrca on Nov 13, 2010 19:06:50 GMT -5
Understood.
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Post by avordvet on Nov 14, 2010 8:48:39 GMT -5
No, my point is there are those whom knew it was coming, allowed and even more helped make it happen. But those lower in the food chain are left being "deer looking into a headlamp". I don't think the admin new it was coming, if they wanted to try an intimidation of the U.S. Right and Patriot movement, they would not have immediately tried to kill or muddy the story by saying it was a acft contrail. I think they got caught flat-footed and were too embarrassed and freaked to call it what it was. The "one" cannot handle another conflict right now as it would immediately doom the economy, we just cannot handle another theater of conflict right now. If they had come out and said it was a Chinese launch, most of the public would be behind a potential response... they did not, so the average American sheeple went back to grazing on entertainment tonight and american idol when they called it a "contrail".
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Post by avordvet on Nov 22, 2010 6:08:15 GMT -5
More military coming out of the wood work and calling it what it is... a missile launch. This time its from a former NORAD command director L.A. contrail a missile launch? Retired general thinks so Posted: Sunday, November 21, 2010 2:00 am | Updated: 8:13 am, Sun Nov 21, 2010. Sliding silently under the mud, muck and fog of national politics, is a current event that makes Bill Clinton’s excursion into the world of elderly sex look tame in comparison. This time the nation’s national security is truly threatened in my opinion, and it involves not only a weak president with limited problem-solving ability, but leadership at the highest levels in the Pentagon as well. The American people would do well to demand a full investigation by an unbiased group, and let the chips fall where they may. I am referring to the “missile shot” taken off the California coast recently, and the lame response by NORAD, the Pentagon and the White House itself. First, in hope of adding some credibility to my assessment of what really happened just off the coast of Los Angeles let me convey a bit of my background which can be checked easily by going to Google and typing in my name. An Air Force biography will appear. During the late 1980s I was assigned to NORAD, as a command director initially and later as the assistant director of operations for NORAD. The NORAD operation was located inside the Cheyenne Mountain complex just outside Colorado Springs, Colo. Twenty-four hours a day a team of approximately 150 highly trained individuals, led by a brigadier general, monitored one of the most sophisticated computer systems in the world. This system was fed data from many different sensors that were able to detect missile shots from any point on the globe. All this data was taken into consideration when making the “assessment” as whether or not North America and/or Canada were threatened by such a launch. If the launch was assessed as a true threat, the president was contacted immediately by NORAD through a military individual always close to the president who carried what we called “the football,” a black briefcase with release codes for our nuclear forces. I know the system well, as for near three years I led one of those teams. In addition, for over 25 years, I flew U.S. Air Force fighters to include the F-106, F-4, F-15, F-16, and commanded an F-15 Squadron and an F-16 Wing. The sole purpose of the F-106 assignment was to maintain an ability to become airborne in minutes to intercept inbound bombers posing a threat to the U.S. mainland. Untold hours were spent studying and being tested on visually identifying an air-to-air threat to include its type and threat potential. Based on such, I understand very well the difference between an aircraft contrail and a missile launch contrail.... Read More: www.dailyinterlake.com/article_09efb5c4-f510-11df-bc49-001cc4c002e0.html
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Post by jimbravo on Nov 22, 2010 12:55:40 GMT -5
Check out the audio links on this site. By the way, this is a pretty good one to follow for economic info.http://www.johngaltfla.com/
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Post by avordvet on Dec 3, 2010 16:04:15 GMT -5
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Post by jimbravo on Dec 3, 2010 21:56:30 GMT -5
Danged if i can forget it. We had two power outages since then. I was expecting it to never come back on since then.
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