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Post by sabre on May 7, 2013 12:47:56 GMT -5
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Post by sabre on May 7, 2013 12:48:36 GMT -5
Not sure what to think about this one.
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Post by Steven Peter Yevchak, Sr. on May 7, 2013 13:46:58 GMT -5
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Post by avordvet on May 7, 2013 13:58:13 GMT -5
I like it, we did a RTC recon in the AO for 'em Apr 19th 2010, they should be good to go.
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Post by walfred on May 7, 2013 16:47:36 GMT -5
Marching across the river armed to confront the government,sounds like a perfect opportunity for provocateurs in the crowd to start something.That would allow the GOV/NWO/UN to point the finger squarely on the patriot movement.Making all patriots look like they are trying to over throw the government by force of arms.The UNLAWFUL actions of the gov,are become clear to the people and more are waking up each and every day.Now is not the time to look like a bunch of trigger happy hotheads. Just yesterday,the gov paraded a co-intel pro agent as a militia member planning a major terror attack,coincidence?I don't think so! yourtubenews.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=3181219%3ATopic%3A510313&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_topicThat being said,when SHTF,all patriots will do their part and popular or not we will win this fake civil war the NWO/UN is trying to start in America.
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Post by avordvet on May 8, 2013 3:45:12 GMT -5
Hey, many in the patriot movement talk a good game, but when the rubber meets the road, here's what we get... well, a provocateur (left or right, it doesn't matter) might do something, their going to make the rest of us look bad, their going to turn a lot of "moderate" allies against us.
Yeah, that sound familiar? those are the same exact arguments they used against the 2010 RTC Rally in N VA.
Most likely these guys will be stopped at the bridge, but if a million or so citizens show up and press on into enemy held territory, I'll get the support train running from my area.
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Post by safetalker on May 8, 2013 9:03:54 GMT -5
I posted this on AWRM on this and say again: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That same day every patriot, and American, needs to clean their arms, and load them. Then sit quietly on the font porch sipping tea or beer. This will keep the silly stuff from getting out of hand. In my years in the Military overseas I made it a rule never to get involved with large numbers of people doing stupid stuff. That doesn't make me a coward it makes me sane. What I see is that we have gone to Washington and stood across the bridge with weapons before, and all was well. Then they passed the Special Events laws and Big O decided that it was unlawful to carry a firearm to any event where the secret service was in charge of security. If they go to Washington and we don't stand out in our town we will be sending them to their death and acknowledging that we agree with Washington. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If however every patriot stands on their own piece of this nation armed and ready they don't have the cops to do anything about it so long as the barrels point up and they don't go boom.
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Post by sabre on May 8, 2013 11:20:06 GMT -5
100% OPPORTUNITY FOR A FALSE FLAG! The strategy is not in our favor, but is for the opposition.
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Post by hefferman1 on May 9, 2013 8:46:58 GMT -5
100% OPPORTUNITY FOR A FALSE FLAG! The strategy is not in our favor, but is for the opposition. I agree 100%. I think this is a set up to get something to happen. I have said it from the first reading. Going into DC breaks the law, and gives them an excuse to do what they want. You know how the media will spin this, and most people will never know the truth. We have to be smart enough to force them to make the first big mistake. This is giving away the advantage and expecting something good to come of it.
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Post by Cujo on May 9, 2013 11:12:51 GMT -5
Initially it sounds as if this could be the opportunity to show a Tyrannical Government bent on taking us down the road of Communism that "Hell Know, we won't take that ride!"
But to walk into a hungry wolves den is suicide. Patriots will be giving up all strategic and tactical value they have or hold. Reading the other day that those attending may risk being stopped going home from the rally. Is it worth excusing yourself from the card game even before the first hand is dealt?
What is the difference between Independence Day 2013 and the Open Carry Rally a few years ago? As Patriots unify the authority to be strengthens itself with UN Constitutional authority. Tensions are at a fever pitch and Boston provided the Government a sense of false security that they can snuff out what's left of The Peoples Bill of Rights. Our Government, this Adm. is starting to feel invincible, this is dangerous.
Believe me, I'd love to see a couple million Patriotic Gun Owners and just plain good ole Patriots say up yours and walk right to the White House. Instead maybe people need to strategically stay home, protect their community, they're county they're state.
The way things are going the fight is coming to us, we don't need to go searching for it, well, not yet anyways.
Disclaimer for Trolls: Read the Declaration of Independence, you don't have to believe it or even agree with it, just know it is Gospel!
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Post by safetalker on May 9, 2013 18:11:30 GMT -5
Were it not for the man leading this thing I would assume it was a set up to prove that the Sheeple are still trying not to look at the wolf. That the plan was for a lot of hype and then 30 to 60 nuts show up and get busted on CNN live. The time of National shows of force are gone. The media won't cover it unless Big O says to. People have no jobs, no money, and no interest. This however is GOOD. The source of the problem is not in Washington. The problem is in small town america. We have allowed the locals to think that Washington is in charge. So long as the Local Elected felons think that we have no choice but rebellion. Time to change their minds.
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Post by walfred on May 11, 2013 20:35:28 GMT -5
Adam Kokesh is not your standard every day patriot.With generations of family here since the revolution.Why would he be the one to follow into the belly of the Beast.This type of action smells like provocateur.Just saying,what good does it do to fight in DC.It's only a business center for foreign powers.The real problem is on main street,with thousands of paramilitary troops kicking in doors and declaring a 24hr curfew(lockdown in Boston).There are many more positioned around the country waiting for the greenlight.An action by what would be seen as patriots/vets in D.C. could bring on the lockdown and label all Patriots criminals and enemies of the state(secretly this already true) to the public.IN the end,the patriot movement is leaderless.And neither,Adam Kokesh or Alex Jones are going to call the shots from the patriots side of the fence.
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Post by avordvet on May 13, 2013 4:33:33 GMT -5
D.C. chief: 'We will arrest armed protesters'Armed protesters who plan to march across the Arlington Memorial Bridge into Washington, D.C. on July 4 will have a special greeting committee awaiting them on the other side. The D.C. police department will be out in full force ready to arrest any and all who cross the bridge into D.C. with loaded rifles. thelibertysphere.blogspot.com/2013/05/dc-chief-we-will-arrest-armed-protesters.html
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Post by safetalker on May 13, 2013 7:16:56 GMT -5
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Post by hefferman1 on May 13, 2013 11:58:16 GMT -5
Some one will resist and then it will be on. This will make Wounded Knee look like a birthday party.
That will be the excuse they need to go after gun owners, and declare them terrorist.
This is pure stupid, and anyone who does it, or wants to do it is not thinking, or a Fed plant to destroy the Patriot Movement.
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Post by avordvet on May 13, 2013 14:09:38 GMT -5
This is pure stupid, and anyone who does it, or wants to do it is not thinking, or a Fed plant to destroy the Patriot Movement. Uh, I want to do it and I am a thinking non-fed plant... just saying. People bitch their ass off about no one taking a stand... well here it is, and its not like they haven't been warned...
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Post by hefferman1 on May 13, 2013 14:46:12 GMT -5
This is pure stupid, and anyone who does it, or wants to do it is not thinking, or a Fed plant to destroy the Patriot Movement. Uh, I want to do it and I am a thinking non-fed plant... just saying. People bitch their ass off about no one taking a stand... well here it is, and its not like they haven't been warned... When you step over the line, you have broken the law. Then they will do what they want to. The news media will tell their story, and talk about the gun nuts who were trying to overthrow the government. That will turn the People against the pro-Constitutional movement, and TPTB will be able to do whatever they want. Those who stand, when that happens will have little, or no support. What will happen to us then. However if a peaceful, legal gathering is disturbed by the feds, then the People will side with the Patriots defending the Constitution and it will be the government thugs who will have little, or no local support. Having an armed Rally Great! Going into DC with loaded weapons not so good of an idea. It is crossing that little line, that makes us look like we are starting the fight.
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Post by avordvet on May 13, 2013 15:01:44 GMT -5
I'm in this fight as long as I don't get hurt... PILLOW FIGHT!
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Post by avordvet on May 13, 2013 16:47:51 GMT -5
Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United StatesA well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.Unconstitutional Official Acts16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177 late 2d, Sec 256: No one Is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it. www.constitution.org/uslaw/16amjur2nd.htm
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Post by brocktownsend on May 13, 2013 16:50:07 GMT -5
This is pure stupid, and anyone who does it, or wants to do it is not thinking, or a Fed plant to destroy the Patriot Movement. Uh, I want to do it and I am a thinking non-fed plant... just saying. People bitch their ass off about no one taking a stand... well here it is, and its not like they haven't been warned... Dixie and I remember the man in the middle picture from the 2009 March on DC.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2013 16:54:05 GMT -5
100% OPPORTUNITY FOR A FALSE FLAG! The strategy is not in our favor, but is for the opposition. I agree 100%. I think this is a set up to get something to happen. I have said it from the first reading. Going into DC breaks the law, and gives them an excuse to do what they want. You know how the media will spin this, and most people will never know the truth. We have to be smart enough to force them to make the first big mistake. This is giving away the advantage and expecting something good to come of it. Agreed Brother...the First Armed Rally was with a permit in an area where carry was legal. This event is not legal...and a great excuse for a confrontation that could lead to bloodshed. We need to stay legal until the government goes rogue, then all bets are off.
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Post by avordvet on May 13, 2013 17:10:11 GMT -5
We need to stay legal until the government goes rogue, then all bets are off. Yeah, I think we're already there... Govt complicit in murders of at least two federal agents, thousands of mexicans, and hundreds of Americans with their gun running schemes.
Govt ramming clearly unconstitutional laws and regs through, unfetterd by congress and/or any courts.
Government officials (WH NSS, NSA, NSC, CIA, and DoD) are Directly responsible for the murder of a U.S. Ambassador and multiple CIA operatives in Benghazi.
Govt claims the authority to execute American citizens with no judicial interference and/or notification. So really, how much more rogue do they have to get? kicking down your mothers door and dragging her off to be reeducated?
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Post by avordvet on May 13, 2013 17:31:55 GMT -5
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Post by brocktownsend on May 13, 2013 18:20:22 GMT -5
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Post by Old Sarge on May 13, 2013 18:21:04 GMT -5
100% OPPORTUNITY FOR A FALSE FLAG! The strategy is not in our favor, but is for the opposition. When news of this broke, I was asked by SECOM to do some due diligence and find out background information about this, and the following is my report: Adam Kokesh is an EX-Marine, not a former Marine. He served one tour in Iraq in 2004, as a member of the 3rd Civil Affairs Group. He brought home a pistol from Iraq in 2004, in violation of the military prohibition of removing contraband items from theater, which prevented his return for a second tour. Kokesh, who at the time was a Sergeant in the Marine Reserves, was demoted to Corporal and soon thereafter discharged with a bar to re-enlistment. After his discharge, during a 2007 protest he attended, Kokesh was in the Individual Ready Reserve (IRR); a superior officer identified him in a photo caption in the Washington Post. On March 29, a Marine major sent him an e-mail to tell him he was being investigated for misconduct by appearing at a political event in uniform, violating the Hatch Act. Kokesh sent an obscene reply, resulting in an additional misconduct charge. In May 2007, a hearing was convened to consider changing Kokesh's military discharge from "honorable" to "other than honorable" on two points: "Disrespect toward a Superior Commissioned Officer," and violating the Hatch Act. The panel recommended Kokesh be given a "general discharge under honorable conditions," a discharge status below "honorable," and above "other than honorable". Kokesh appealed the decision, and was denied. Kokesh is a declared atheist who has also been affiliated with, and was an integral leader, in the John F. Kerry-inspired Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW), as well as the Anti-Bush/anti-war rallies with A.N.S.W.E.R. and Code PINK in 2007-2008. Kokesh has declared he is committing multiple illegal acts by staging this event. He is bringing loaded firearms onto Federal property (Arlington National Cemetery, and crossing Memorial Bridge into DC), along with engendering possible Federal conspiracy charges. It is highly probable that, given Kokesh's connections with Leftist organizations, he might be an agent provocateur, and this event might be staged as a provocation which demonizes Second Amendment supporters, giving the administration the political capital it wants, to say nothing of staging the trigger event that justifies further gun confiscation.
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Post by avordvet on May 13, 2013 18:33:05 GMT -5
Good briefs.
Ok, looks like this guy isn't the best guy to lead this push... heff you up for it?
Just let me know when you are ready, gotta get the popcorn on and widescreen set up in High Def.
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Post by hefferman1 on May 14, 2013 9:01:26 GMT -5
Good briefs. Ok, looks like this guy isn't the best guy to lead this push... heff you up for it? Just let me know when you are ready, gotta get the popcorn on and widescreen set up in High Def. I would be up for another legal armed rally. With mags in weapons. We have to have the high ground when things go hot, or we may never gain it. You know what a difference having the high ground can make.
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Post by brocktownsend on May 14, 2013 11:18:50 GMT -5
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Post by walfred on May 14, 2013 23:58:02 GMT -5
Excellent brief Sarge! I concur, with heffer.The people are close to a complete loss of trust/respect for the gvnmt.While at the same time the people are beginning to except the idea that living free in the future may call for an armed response by the militia.At this point in time we grow stronger,staying on course and they grow weaker.So this kind of action could only service the ends of the enemy.
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Post by aronatbc on May 15, 2013 9:34:55 GMT -5
Adam Kokesh of former Code Pinko fame? Yeah... No. I like the idea, but front it by someone credible.
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