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Post by Cujo on Feb 21, 2013 14:37:04 GMT -5
Quick history, my Bro-n-law & I are very close. We only differ on what's coming, he has the biggest set of blinders I've ever seen for someone who see's the trouble we are in.
I don't talk prep with him anymore, until today over coffee, because he see's prepping as a good punch line in a joke.
But he did ask a great question that I refused to answer because he doesn't understand preppers.
The Question: Will I become a looter when my supplies run out? I said I refuse to answer the question because you don't take this topic seriously. He asked it again waiting for me to say yes so he could use it against me.
I replied, I won't answer it because in your mind you do not realize why we prep, that that the reason is to become self sufficient. We don't prep just to store because stores will run out. We prep to become self sufficient, then to help others become self sufficient. We train to protect our families and our supplies.
But I did like his question though, which I presented to the network. Will you become a looter when your food runs out?
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Post by brocktownsend on Feb 21, 2013 14:42:28 GMT -5
I believe all would simply increase their hunting and fishing.
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Post by avordvet on Feb 21, 2013 14:44:45 GMT -5
Will you become a looter when your food runs out? Yeah I'm in for a little looting...
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Post by aronatbc on Feb 21, 2013 15:18:32 GMT -5
We prep to become self sufficient, then to help others become self sufficient. We train to protect our families and our supplies. This.
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Post by Cujo on Feb 21, 2013 15:43:46 GMT -5
We have had this conversation before here and we know the importance of prep and becoming self sufficient. I posted this question here & with my network as a simple reminder that one, the importance of becoming self sufficient and two, the misconception many have of preppers and that is to just hoard. avordvet, was that a red head?
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Post by safetalker on Feb 21, 2013 15:45:38 GMT -5
His choice of words speaks volumes. He didn't say steal, rob, or even take. He said loot. This is the mentality of those who realize that they perhaps have missed a time to prepare. If you look up the word Loot: loot (lt) n. 1. Valuables pillaged in time of war; spoils. 2. Stolen goods. 3. Informal Goods illicitly obtained, as by bribery. 4. Informal Things of value, such as gifts, received on one occasion. 5. Slang Money. Thus a looter is one who takes loot, but in some circles not necessarily one who steals! If you are a looter in some cases it is much better than a thief. You are in some circles freeing up goods that are "Hoarded" by another person. You could be considered a hero for your actions. He is not alone in this easy way to explain his actions. In many states the act of Hoarding is more of a crime than looting. If your Governor declares a state of emergency the local LEO's can come to your home and take everything above what you and your family can consume in 24 hours. This is why everyone who does prep needs to do so on the quiet. I keep one pantry with a lot of odds and ends. I also keep a number of cache's with what goes with that pantry. So if they arrive to take my prep supplies all they will find is what my family of 5 can eat in the NC 72hour level. We have to remember that while marriage makes them family it will never make them Blood.
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Post by Cujo on Feb 21, 2013 17:56:07 GMT -5
;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 20:52:36 GMT -5
+1 You might ask your Brother In Law what he expects you to do if he tries to use force to take the food you need for your family to survive. That is him effectively killing your family. I don't think he understands the seriousness or the implications of the choices. If he DOES understand, then the man is planning on using you and your family as his source of food, regardless of what he has to do to obtain it.
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Post by Cujo on Feb 22, 2013 7:44:44 GMT -5
+1 You might ask your Brother In Law what he expects you to do if he tries to use force to take the food you need for your family to survive. That is him effectively killing your family. I don't think he understands the seriousness or the implications of the choices. If he DOES understand, then the man is planning on using you and your family as his source of food, regardless of what he has to do to obtain it. He is a Nam Vet, combat medic, he openly says he does not want to believe what his Government is doing and he is in denial. My food? No! I have made it clear with family, prep for yourselves and you are welcome, you will live under camp rules. No prep, after numerous warnings stay away. No he won't be using me, "IF SHTF" he thinks he'll drive back to PA.
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Post by midnightrider on Feb 22, 2013 7:52:30 GMT -5
I'm sure that will work out just fine. I wonder if "they" know he is coming?
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Post by brocktownsend on Feb 22, 2013 13:33:08 GMT -5
he openly says he does not want to believe what his Government is doing
I certainly understand.
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Post by safetalker on Feb 22, 2013 18:04:13 GMT -5
He is a Nam Vet, combat medic, he openly says he does not want to believe what his Government is doing and he is in denial.
I know the feeling. When I write I get the same response on here. There is a comfort zone each of us keeps rather rigidly. To move beyond it makes what we did wrong and what we need to do much harder to do. Some can keep the wall in place until someone puts a round through it and harms someone we love.
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Post by hefferman1 on Feb 23, 2013 9:49:18 GMT -5
Many good men and women will be undone by Normalcy Bias.
We need to keep working to wake up those that will hear the alarm bells ringing.
I guess I was lucky to have witnessed a few things and saw what was in the news and being told by our government was not the real truth.
Still that root of "My Country Right or Wrong, may she always be Right" is hard to kill.
Some will not wake up, till they are on trains saying, "But I'm a Vet. You can't do this to me."
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Post by brocktownsend on Feb 23, 2013 13:29:34 GMT -5
"But I'm a Vet. You can't do this to me."
Imagine some said that who were in the Bonus Army/March.
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Post by southwind on Feb 23, 2013 19:44:24 GMT -5
I think some of the toughest decisions some of us will have to make will be to turn relatives away...will you (addressed here to anyone who cares to answer) do so at gunpoint if necessary?
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Post by safetalker on Feb 23, 2013 19:55:49 GMT -5
I think some of the toughest decisions some of us will have to make will be to turn relatives away...will you (addressed here to anyone who cares to answer) do so at gunpoint if necessary? If you prepare with those relatives that you know are ready in mind this will never be necessary. Like this guy we speak of he may have no preps for his family which is still Dons family, but he may have skills worth the share. When I set aside my stuff I know I will have to care for more than I need to. That will be the price of extra arms, extra hands, and extra labor. If they don't work they don't eat. I would allow Sis to decide when he goes. There should never be a time when I would need a weapon for a family member no matter how down line they are. There will be a need for things we can't begin to prepare for. Harming the loved opne of a loved one is not that kind of need.
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Post by avordvet on Feb 24, 2013 4:36:09 GMT -5
I have family members that I have specifically told not to show up... They are users and takers, they know it and I know it, I'm just honest enough to say it.
They show up unannounced and unprepared, they would be sent along and they know it. All of my family members know I don't mince words... and they also know I despise users and takers.
The upside is a couple of them started prepping and consolidating awhile back, and as soon as they showed a little initiative, I lent my tutelage to get 'em where they need to go.
Like many of you, I warned family, friends, and acquaintances until blue in the face, so if they don't have enough sense to put a little away... pox on them. I'll do what I can WITHOUT risking my immediate families safety and welfare.
One of the reasons I am building up a few "patriot buckets" is to help some out, but never anyone who completely ignored the signs.
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Post by Cujo on Feb 24, 2013 7:44:36 GMT -5
Keep in mind that storing extra food isn't enough. When yhey go to the shit house expect, "hey where's the T.P?"
Hey I haven't brushed my teeth in three days, how about giving me a tooth brush & tooth paste!
Damn my close stink and are dirty, got some extra detergent?
Ouch! Just cut my hand, give me some medical treatment.
Now if you are not prepared to have extra personal items then you risk that person (s) spreading germs and health issues.
It's not just about food!
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Post by avordvet on Feb 24, 2013 7:47:38 GMT -5
It's not just about food! +1
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Post by eagle326 on Feb 24, 2013 10:20:43 GMT -5
As Avordvet stated. My family has known for years where I stand on being prepared. My children are on board and 1 out of 4 still living siblings. They have no idea as to how much I got ; They think I have a month or two of supplies. They are Obama big Govt. believers and I know they would Rat me out in a heart beat if it gained them shelter and such. What they don't know is we're planning a south of the Mason Dixon line move after my wife fully recovers from open heart surgery. No one will know when we leave or where we've gone. Only my children and 2 Nam brothers will know exact location. My one sibling doesn't want to know until it's time for her to leave and then only after she's on the road. I'm not a stingy man but I'll be go to hell if I'll help those who sit on their fat lazy asses. They may be family but the blood between myself and my Nam brothers is thicker and they are true family. My siblings have no contact with me anyway unless they need something ; which I stopped years ago. And they don't have any talents I don't already have covered. I'm open to helping certain persons in a controlled manner that works for me and them. As for toilet paper I buy it at ( bulk toilet paper .com ) by the cases. Good as gold. I've always looked at life as black or white ; right or wrong ;good or bad. I make no exceptions to the rule and that includes everyone up to myself.
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Post by Cujo on Feb 24, 2013 14:33:46 GMT -5
As Avordvet stated. My family has known for years where I stand on being prepared. My children are on board and 1 out of 4 still living siblings. They have no idea as to how much I got ; They think I have a month or two of supplies. They are Obama big Govt. believers and I know they would Rat me out in a heart beat if it gained them shelter and such. What they don't know is we're planning a south of the Mason Dixon line move after my wife fully recovers from open heart surgery. No one will know when we leave or where we've gone. Only my children and 2 Nam brothers will know exact location. My one sibling doesn't want to know until it's time for her to leave and then only after she's on the road. I'm not a stingy man but I'll be go to hell if I'll help those who sit on their fat lazy asses. They may be family but the blood between myself and my Nam brothers is thicker and they are true family. My siblings have no contact with me anyway unless they need something ; which I stopped years ago. And they don't have any talents I don't already have covered. I'm open to helping certain persons in a controlled manner that works for me and them. As for toilet paper I buy it at ( bulk toilet paper .com ) by the cases. Good as gold. I've always looked at life as black or white ; right or wrong ;good or bad. I make no exceptions to the rule and that includes everyone up to myself. Couldn't agree with you more. Helping others in a controlled manner, that is a very accurate statement. We will have to be selective who & how others are helped, unless one has the $$$ and resources and even then once word gets out they will be at risk.
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Post by avordvet on Feb 24, 2013 14:44:33 GMT -5
Helping others in a controlled manner, that is a very accurate statement. We will have to be selective who & how others are helped, unless one has the $$$ and resources and even then once word gets out they will be at risk. That's why I harp on the preloaded "patriot buckets", they can be used or given away completely anonymously if necessary/required.
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Post by brocktownsend on Feb 24, 2013 16:12:43 GMT -5
As Avordvet stated. My family has known for years where I stand on being prepared. My children are on board and 1 out of 4 still living siblings. They have no idea as to how much I got ; They think I have a month or two of supplies. They are Obama big Govt. believers and I know they would Rat me out in a heart beat if it gained them shelter and such. What they don't know is we're planning a south of the Mason Dixon line move after my wife fully recovers from open heart surgery. No one will know when we leave or where we've gone. Only my children and 2 Nam brothers will know exact location. My one sibling doesn't want to know until it's time for her to leave and then only after she's on the road. I'm not a stingy man but I'll be go to hell if I'll help those who sit on their fat lazy asses. They may be family but the blood between myself and my Nam brothers is thicker and they are true family. My siblings have no contact with me anyway unless they need something ; which I stopped years ago. And they don't have any talents I don't already have covered. I'm open to helping certain persons in a controlled manner that works for me and them. As for toilet paper I buy it at ( bulk toilet paper .com ) by the cases. Good as gold. I've always looked at life as black or white ; right or wrong ;good or bad. I make no exceptions to the rule and that includes everyone up to myself. Well said. Where do you plan on going?
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Post by pocahontaspatriot on Feb 24, 2013 16:30:14 GMT -5
There will be a lot of knotty ethical problems Try this one:
Wife left 5 yr ago. Believe me or don't, I was a good husband, moved Heaven and Earth to try to get her back. She took it to Court, tried to take all the kids, turned 2 against me, got Court to order them all into public school (home-schooled before) sicced alphabet soup agencies on me multiple times. I eventually got primary custody of the four kids that still love me, have them half the time. I'm remarried, to a great pistol-packin home-schoolin MD, have a new daughter.
If TSHTF on "my" week, the kids just do not go back to Mom on Friday. If it is HER week, I take the risk to leave the "compound" and go to get them. But, what if their Mom disagrees? I THINK the kids will willingly cast their lot with me. If their forsworn mother asks to come along, the answer is an effortless "NO". If the kids ask me to take her, of course, cannot take someone who cannot be trusted, answer still, "NO".
What if some kids say they will not leave their Mom behind? Force? How much?
I doubt my situation is unique.
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Post by Sine Pari on Feb 24, 2013 16:48:51 GMT -5
My personal experience with this is usually military and law enforcement are the first to start looting, so if you are a person of known resources or (obviously) has resources you had best be on your best game.
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Post by eagle326 on Feb 24, 2013 17:12:11 GMT -5
Brock ; Mama says anywhere from S.W. Virginia ; N.E. north Carolina and all points south. She's 60 and I'm 62 and she says it time to head back south after 40 years.
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Post by brocktownsend on Feb 24, 2013 17:17:23 GMT -5
Brock ; Mama says anywhere from S.W. Virginia ; N.E. north Carolina and all points south. She's 60 and I'm 62 and she says it time to head back south after 40 years.
Let me know when you start looking.
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Post by eagle326 on Feb 24, 2013 17:26:22 GMT -5
Will do Brock ; I want a few acres and she wants a cheap fixture upper.
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Post by brocktownsend on Feb 24, 2013 17:33:07 GMT -5
Will do Brock ; I want a few acres and she wants a cheap fixture upper. A stick built, I take it.
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Post by eagle326 on Feb 24, 2013 19:45:59 GMT -5
Open to any ideas for lodging.
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