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Post by Michael Downing on Jan 15, 2013 20:44:22 GMT -5
I was traveling to Raleigh today and had Patriot radio on. Glenn Beck came on and at times the volume was turned down low from time to time as I took business calls but I did hear the basics of what eh was saying. My interpretation is this. He said that if they come for your guns refuse and tell them they will have to arrest you and then allow yourself to be arrested and fight this in the courts. He said to resist would be to start a bloody civil war. A war that would have the President call on NATO support which he would get and NATO planes would patrol our skies and result in the deaths of thousands. He mentioned internment camps and re-education centers. He said they could not arrest us all and called for everyone to follow the path of Gandhi and Martin Luther King. To be honest I did not catch it all but found it hard to believe that the Glenn Beck of old who had his war college discussions on his old show while telling people to prepare and to buy firearms and learn how to use them would now call for what appears to be complete surrender. In the words of a friend during an earlier discussion "I will make a much better dead martyr than a political prisoner in a internment camp." I tried to find a transcript of the show but did find this. www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2976823/posts?page=80
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Post by Michael Downing on Jan 15, 2013 20:45:19 GMT -5
And yes Glenn did manage to get in a few quotes from the Tyrant Lincoln during this discussion in support of his statements...
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Post by Cujo on Jan 15, 2013 21:11:59 GMT -5
Midnightrider heard the same from Beck the other day he said. Let them arrest you, let them arrest all of us until they they run out of room.
I'm sorry, but I won't entrust my life or Liberties to a liberal court. Can we afford to wait a year or more before the Supreme Court takes up the defense of the 2nd, again? Then risk that it will go the way of Obama Care? Legal and Constitutional!
As far as Beck goes, he maybe getting to big for his britches. my .02
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Post by Michael Downing on Jan 15, 2013 21:31:32 GMT -5
The only way I would trust the court would be if Judge Napolitano was the one deciding my fate.
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Post by brocktownsend on Jan 15, 2013 22:06:36 GMT -5
Nothing he says surprises me anymore since his tongue has no bones.
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Post by walfred on Jan 16, 2013 1:39:13 GMT -5
It's all coming together now....The "FALSE OPPOSITION",is doing the job it was always meant to do.And at the brink of war,telling you to 1)stay in your homes.2)Don't go out and do anything.3)If they knock on your door,just go quietly into bondage...
We will not go quietly into bondage and you can go to hell GB!
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Post by stoner44magnum on Jan 16, 2013 4:46:39 GMT -5
I had to turn Beck off that day he started spewing that BS. I have found myself turning him off so much that I don't really know why I even leave the radio on when our local host's show is over in the morning. It seems to me that he is either working for the other side or trying to tread a line so fine that he himself doesn't really know where he stands.
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Post by avordvet on Jan 16, 2013 5:12:54 GMT -5
As usual he gets on the Ghandi bandwagon, But, what he says is correct, it would overwhelm the system almost immediately and the backlash would grow as outraged citizens watched their kids, parent and grandparents get thrown in cuffs and dragged off to detention. But like a few I WILL NOT capitulate to an illegal edict, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are quite clear, and unfortunately for the Leftists, I can read. Beck also got on the Magazine/Clip thing when a few people bitch-slapped him on the air for continually using the wrong terminology. Yesterday he got on the "quit calling newbies stupid" cause they don't know the nomenclature of the weapons that they are handling. He kept calling "magazines" - "clips" and when called on it, he got on the "we gotta bring newbies into the big 2A tent", don't belittle 'em, don't make fun of 'em and for gods sake don't correct 'em when they call something what it is not. Rant on... Geez guess when someone says firestick I should know its a gun or when they says motorized buggy, I should know its a Semi-Truck they are talking about... I should know what they are talking about? NO, THEY SHOULD FRIGGING KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT! If you are gonna learn something, then also learn the terminology that goes with it! And for all you newbies this is a good start, try it on for size and keep it on! Magazine: A devise that contains the cartridges and are attachable or insert-able into a weapon. A Clip is a device that "Clips" or retains ammo together. M1 Garand Ammunition Clip 5.56mm Stripper Clips Notice the difference between Magazines and Clips now? Good, now pass it on. ...Rant Off
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Post by stoner44magnum on Jan 16, 2013 5:48:53 GMT -5
As usual he gets on the Ghandi bandwagon, But, what he says is correct, it would overwhelm the system almost immediately and the backlash would grow as outraged citizens watched their kids, parent and grandparents get thrown in cuffs and dragged off to detention. But like a few I WILL NOT capitulate to an illegal edict, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are quite clear, and unfortunately for the Leftists, I can read. Beck also got on the Magazine/Clip thing when a few people bitch-slapped him on the air for continually using the wrong terminology. Yesterday he got on the "quit calling newbies stupid" cause they don't know the nomenclature of the weapons that they are handling. He kept calling "magazines" - "clips" and when called on it, he got on the "we gotta bring newbies into the big 2A tent", don't belittle 'em, don't make fun of 'em and for gods sake don't correct 'em when they call something what it is not. Rant on... Geez guess when someone says firestick I should know its a gun or when they says motorized buggy, I should know its a Semi-Truck they are talking about... I should know what they are talking about? NO, THEY SHOULD FRIGGING KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT! If you are gonna learn something, then also learn the terminology that goes with it! And for all you newbies this is a good start, try it on for size and keep it on! Magazine: A devise the contains the cartridges and are attachable or insert-able into a weapon. A Clip is a device that "Clips" or retains ammo together. M1 Garand Ammunition Clip 5.56mm Stripper Clips Notice the difference between Magazines and Clips now? Good, now pass it on. ...Rant Off I find myself yelling at the radio or TV when I hear folks consistently use the wrong terms describing anything firearm related as well. Yesterday, right before I turned Beck off he had his (head?) security guy get on the air because Beck and his merry band of boobs were trying to figure out how many rounds a semi-auto handgun can hold in it's "clip". His security guy claimed that up to about 10- 12 rounds can held in most "clips". Heck my WIFE'S SR9 can hold 17 in it's MAGAZINE
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Post by Michael Downing on Jan 16, 2013 7:16:54 GMT -5
In the background you could hear his security person say some can hold 17. He seemed either amused or totally detached from the conversation going on between the "newbies". Seems a friend had me purchase for him some extended Glock "clips" for his hand gun at the gun show I was at back in mid December. They were Korean made by KCI and held 31 rounds of 40cal. Now who could possibly need that many rounds in one magazine...
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Post by smokeeater on Jan 16, 2013 9:12:03 GMT -5
I cringe when they call semi auto rifles machine guns or automatic ,they are just focused on talking points off the teleprompter no idea what they are talking about
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Post by aronatbc on Jan 16, 2013 9:19:58 GMT -5
Beck is a very religious person and his stance stems from this. The whole "turn the other cheek" thing. Mormon have some weird ideas, but the devout are sticklers.
I do not subscribe to those views. Tens of Millions have died at the hands of their governments when they go the "non-conflict"/"don't fight back" route.
HISTORY SHOWS THIS DOES NOT WORK.
Period.
If they come for our guns, it's time to hunt those giving the orders down and end them.
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Post by avordvet on Jan 16, 2013 13:35:51 GMT -5
I cringe when they call semi auto rifles machine guns or automatic ,they are just focused on talking points off the teleprompter no idea what they are talking about Problem is, it is not just their side making these stupid uninformed statements, Its OURS! Spun past the Hannity radio show yesterday and what was he saying? even though he was supporting the 2A in the segment, he continually parroted the Liberal Account; "kids gunned down in a school by an "Assault Rifle"... even though that was debunked within a day.
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Post by hefferman1 on Jan 16, 2013 16:42:18 GMT -5
The mags, clips, assault rifles, machine guns and all that crap gets me upset also.
Then I remember, they don't know any better, or they are saying it to get people mad, and get them to do something stupid.
Ghanda and his whole none violant garbage would have floated down the Ganges river with his bloated body if the Japanese had reached India. That lay limp and let the system stupidity only works if someone will not shoot you for being stupid.
These socialist, not sure if they are communist socialist, or Nazi socialist, in Washington will shoot, if given the chance. The media will parrot that you resisted, or deserved it, just like at Ruby Ridge, or Waco.
If they come for me, I will do my best to take scalps and pile up body bags, then they will not be able to hide it.
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Post by aronatbc on Jan 16, 2013 16:56:06 GMT -5
Pacifism didn't free the Jews from the concentration camps.
Men with guns did. Men who went out and killed Nazi's.
It's almost cliche to bring it up, but the historical precedent plays out time and again and we NEVER seem to learn from our mistakes.
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Post by walfred on Jan 16, 2013 17:45:17 GMT -5
OVERWHELM what system?When SHTFThe old court system will go the way of the Dodo bird!By the time they are knocking on doors to take guns from the refusenic's.It's open the door,say nothing,get on the bus for a prison camp(FEMA run with no courts) not city jail(unless it is used as a weight station on the way to the camps) or else it's a double tap to the head.
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Post by trap115 on Jan 16, 2013 21:10:20 GMT -5
surrender my ass!!, never will
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Post by midnightrider on Jan 17, 2013 6:51:58 GMT -5
Y'all forget that Beck did his own research on "Detainment Camps" and found it to be "not so". That is why he doesn't discuss them. Kinda reminds me of a bumper sticker I used to fly on my old work truck. "If you are living life like there is no God, You better be right!"
I had to give up on Beck quite a while ago. It is one thing to inform the people, but another to not give solutions. Turning ourselves in? Not a solution!
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Post by avordvet on Jan 17, 2013 7:23:44 GMT -5
Y'all forget that Beck did his own research on "Detainment Camps" and found it to be "not so". That is why he doesn't discuss them. Kinda reminds me of a bumper sticker I used to fly on my old work truck. "If you are living life like there is no God, You better be right!" I had to give up on Beck quite a while ago. It is one thing to inform the people, but another to not give solutions. Turning ourselves in? Not a solution! And there are many others that don't believe in the "camps", including me... I've seen as much of the "evidence" as any other, and I don't see 'em. Now could these many facilities identified be immediately used for such a nefarious purpose, yes they could, and Beck has also said as much.
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Post by avordvet on Jan 17, 2013 7:27:42 GMT -5
Again gentlemen, remember who and what we are fighting. Beck has brought MILLIONS of active patriots into this fight, how many have each of you brought in?
Lets not be distracted by petty differences.
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Post by aronatbc on Jan 17, 2013 9:00:18 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong avordvet, Beck is in most regards a Patriot and a gem. I listen to his broadcast regularly and agree with him on a great number of things.
Particularly since he started drifting in to libertarian direction. :-)
However, I am not a pacifist. I cannot follow that path as I do not see it going anywhere I need to go. Violence isn't the answer to every question any more than one screwdriver to use on every type of screw. However, you don't use a butterknife when the situation calls for a chainsaw.
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Post by Michael Downing on Jan 17, 2013 9:26:39 GMT -5
I pointed out what Beck had said because it struck me as wrong, period end of sentence. I did not point it out to to say that Beck has no credibility what so ever but that on this one subject he is just blatantly wrong and history backs that up but he is welcome to his opinion. My guess is however if they come for his gun and his family he will shoot before they can drag his loved ones away if he has not already given up his only means to protect himself. If it ever gets to a point of confiscation and I hope it never does then just because you gave up your arms you are not immediately reclassified as a non-enemy, you are immediately classified as a disarmed enemy and will be treated as such. People have a right to choose their own path but as always in my humble opinion if Beck convinces hundreds or thousands of people to give up their weapons then he has quite possibly condemned them to death or worse a life of complete and utter servitude. From Safetalkers post: Every survivor of every genocide says the same: when they come to take your guns, shoot them. Make them work for it, and THEIR system is overwhelmed, because they don’t have 20 million FLEAs to do armed battles all over the country, instead of nice polite arrest raids like those that that Glen "Gandhi" Beck envisions, with the NRA lawyers throwing your bail and suing the pants off the Gov. Read more: alarmandmuster.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=12565&page=1#57270#ixzz2IF4mTRdX
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Post by aronatbc on Jan 17, 2013 9:33:11 GMT -5
...just because you gave up your arms you are not immediately reclassified as a non-enemy, you are immediately classified as a disarmed enemy and will be treated as such. That is some powerful truth right there. Thank you for saying it.
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Post by avordvet on Jan 17, 2013 11:14:46 GMT -5
However, I am not a pacifist. Most us here aren't, but there are people in the "fight" that are... I will not disparage them, at least they are still moving in the same direction as we are, better than I can say for some so called patriots. Some keyboard commandos will sit there and disparage any and all in the movement, while they do the minimum, if anything.
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Post by hefferman1 on Jan 17, 2013 15:57:55 GMT -5
However, I am not a pacifist. Most us here aren't, but there are people in the "fight" that are... I will not disparage them, at least they are still moving in the same direction as we are, better than I can say for some so called patriots. Some keyboard commandos will sit there and disparage any and all in the movement, while they do the minimum, if anything. Telling people to sit and wait to be killed, is not good advice, no matter who says it, or why they say it. I will not encourage anyone to just give up their right to life. The socialist have shown time and time again, they are willing to kill. They need to be meet with the same attitude. It will be kill, or be killed. pacifism is sitting down like a child, and throwing a fit, and hoping it works. How did it work in Turkey, Russia, Germany, and China?
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