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Post by midnightrider on Oct 11, 2012 6:50:12 GMT -5
Without trying to beat a dead horse, I want to mention again what the national Republican Party machine (along with the national news media) did to Ron Paul and his supporters in this year's primary elections proves beyond any shadow of a doubt the deceit, duplicity, and dishonesty that defines major party politics. Anyone who believes that Mitt Romney won his party's nomination freely and fairly is either totally ignorant of what really happened or is thoroughly deluded. And unless people in Venezuela were killed or imprisoned, Ron Paul's supporters were no less mistreated than were Hugo Chaves' opponents. www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin722.htm
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Post by brocktownsend on Oct 11, 2012 10:04:15 GMT -5
No argument here.
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Post by Cujo on Oct 11, 2012 10:23:52 GMT -5
Rider, are you purposely trying to get my day started off on the wrong foot?
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Post by midnightrider on Oct 11, 2012 10:51:53 GMT -5
Rider, are you purposely trying to get my day started off on the wrong foot?
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Post by hefferman1 on Oct 11, 2012 10:55:55 GMT -5
I agree. No matter how many votes some had, they need to be counted, and their voice heard.
The bad thing is, at times they then need to be told you are wrong, and that will not work in the real world.
Ron Paul is right about the FED, wrong on how to deal with it, and an mental midget on foreign affairs.
We live in a dangerous world. Ron Paul's ideas would be the same as the Jews waiting at home for the Nazis to come to their door. Praying the quota of people taken that night, would be filled before they got to your house.
Setting on our backside and letting the communist and islamist take over, and hoping they don't come after the US is stupid at best.
I know It is just MHO, but Ron Paul doesn't need to be anywhere near the White House. He doesn't understand what is needed in a Commander and Chief.
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Post by brocktownsend on Oct 11, 2012 13:07:22 GMT -5
Ron Paul doesn't need to be anywhere near the White House. He doesn't understand what is needed in a Commander and Chief.
He's just heeding George Washington's words, quaint, I know.........
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Post by Michael Downing on Oct 11, 2012 15:09:35 GMT -5
John Quincy Adams 04071821, Washington, D.C. - AND NOW, FRIENDS AND COUNTRYMEN, if the wise and learned philosophers of the elder world, the first observers of [m]utation and aberration, the discoverers of maddening ether and invisible planets, the inventors of Congreve rockets and Shrapnel shells, should find their hearts disposed to enquire what has America done for the benefit of mankind? Let our answer be this:America, with the same voice which spoke herself into existence as a nation, proclaimed to mankind the inextinguishable rights of human nature, and the only lawful foundations of government. America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity. She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and of equal rights. She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own. She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart. She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right. Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force.... She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit.... [America’s] glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of the mind. She has a spear and a shield: but the motto upon her shield is, Freedom, Independence, Peace. This has been her Declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice. www.mikechurch.com/liberty-institute/founders-corner/john-quincy-adams-speech-of-monsters-to-destroy-4-july-1821/
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Post by Cujo on Oct 11, 2012 16:05:01 GMT -5
It is time to go back to a TWO PARTY System, right now we have a one party system. Both Republicans & Democrats working under the same umbrella. It's time we we have a party for the people once again representative of the Constitution and a Free Republic. Not one highjacked by special interest and personal greed and a thirst for power by the elected. Ron Paul still will not endorse Romney...(phone interview) www.infowars.com/ron-paul-refuses-to-endorse-romney/
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Post by stoner44magnum on Oct 11, 2012 16:08:18 GMT -5
I just had a conversation with a fellow driver last night about this very subject. he too thought, I know It is just MHO, but Ron Paul doesn't need to be anywhere near the White House. He doesn't understand what is needed in a Commander and Chief.
I am just amazed that folks consider a man believing in a Constitutional foregn policy not worthy of occupying the white house.
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Post by safetalker on Oct 11, 2012 18:04:13 GMT -5
I suggest that all of you go get your small copy of the constitution and read it! 1. The people do not have a vote for the president. He is selected by the Congress and the Electoral College. 2. since mit and Barrack both went to the March 21st 2012 Bilderberger meeting we can assume that no changes are imminent. 3. Ron Paul is like many of the Libertarians. He is high on history and low on ideas that he has any chance of getting past unless he intends to rule by Executive Order also.
The job of the people is to control their elected Felons not the president. He is just the mouth piece for the Federal Reserve.
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Post by midnightrider on Oct 11, 2012 18:15:12 GMT -5
I too am sick and tired of the war machine. We waste our finest in fighting someone else's battles. We fight to get somebody else's oil when we have plenty here. We find any excuse to "take the battle to them" so we don't have to fight it here. We have our own fight/battle here and CAN NOT afford another one, BUT, here we go again Syria. Who is gonna fund this one? I can't afford another one. Let's bring our troops home and get on to business straightening out the mess we have in our own yard.
(rant off)
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Post by brocktownsend on Oct 11, 2012 18:31:50 GMT -5
I too am sick and tired of the war machine. We waste our finest in fighting someone else's battles. We fight to get somebody else's oil when we have plenty here. We find any excuse to "take the battle to them" so we don't have to fight it here. We have our own fight/battle here and CAN NOT afford another one, BUT, here we go again Syria. Who is gonna fund this one? I can't afford another one. Let's bring our troops home and get on to business straightening out the mess we have in our own yard. (rant off) Time for this one again with my of my favorite quotes. "War Is A Racket" Video USMC General Smedley Butler freenorthcarolina.blogspot.com/2012/05/war-is-racket-video-usmc-general.htmlHere richly, with ridiculous display, The Politician’s corpse was laid away. While all of his acquaintances sneered and slanged, I wept: For I had longed to see him hanged. --Hilaire Belloc
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Post by hefferman1 on Oct 12, 2012 0:18:36 GMT -5
I just had a conversation with a fellow driver last night about this very subject. he too thought, I know It is just MHO, but Ron Paul doesn't need to be anywhere near the White House. He doesn't understand what is needed in a Commander and Chief.I am just amazed that folks consider a man believing in a Constitutional foreign policy not worthy of occupying the white house. What I find amazing is someone who is supposed to be smart thinking, the nut job islamist only came here because we are over there. I find it amazing, Ron Paul thinks it is OK if the islamist kill several million Jews in Israel, as long as they don't go after him. I agree with Paul on not needing bases in Germany and every place else, but disagree on isolationism, and his refusal to see evil for what it is, just because he wishes it was something else. Ron Paul is delusional on most of his foreign policy beliefs.
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Post by avordvet on Oct 12, 2012 4:25:35 GMT -5
Ron Paul is delusional on most of his foreign policy beliefs. That might be so, but remember the original intent of the Constitution was to refrain from foreign meddling, to keep our noses out of other peoples affairs, if attacked, Declare War, strike hard... and then return to our borders. No Policing, No "Nation Building"... Nothing except self defense. And just waylay the old "power projection" argument, that was one of our down falls, and yes, the commander and chief can still use the forces if necessary... with Necessary being the operative word. As to your original statement... "Doesn't have the (insert any item here) experience to be president"... I didn't know the Constitution put forth any, beyond age and citizenship requirements. YOU could be the President, and probably a damned good one. To be President doesn't mean you have to KNOW everything... as is the illusion these days, that is why you would have a staff of experts and advisers in the different areas to guide your way. George Washington knows nothing about our current societal and world problems, you saying he couldn't just step right in and handle the job right now? Of course he could as could anyone of us... Including Ron Paul.
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Post by hefferman1 on Oct 12, 2012 9:29:00 GMT -5
Ron Paul is delusional on most of his foreign policy beliefs. That might be so, but remember the original intent of the Constitution was to refrain from foreign meddling, to keep our noses out of other peoples affairs, if attacked, Declare War, strike hard... and then return to our borders. No Policing, No "Nation Building"... Nothing except self defense. And just waylay the old "power projection" argument, that was one of our down falls, and yes, the commander and chief can still use the forces if necessary... with Necessary being the operative word. As to your original statement... "Doesn't have the (insert any item here) experience to be president"... I didn't know the Constitution put forth any, beyond age and citizenship requirements. YOU could be the President, and probably a damned good one. To be President doesn't mean you have to KNOW everything... as is the illusion these days, that is why you would have a staff of experts and advisers in the different areas to guide your way. George Washington knows nothing about our current societal and world problems, you saying he couldn't just step right in and handle the job right now? Of course he could as could anyone of us... Including Ron Paul. That only works if you get someone who can be independant, and then follow the wise advice you get. If you are too set in your ways, you will not appoint someone who will speak the truth, if they know you will disagree. You will also not listen to them when they give you good advice, because it is different than what you want to see. It all goes back to who you are as a person. A weak man will surround himself with weaker men to appear strong. A strong man will surround himself with stronger men, that he might become stronger still. I don't believe Ron Paul would take the wise approach. That said, I think his son would, because he surrounds himself with strong people. That shows he is strong, and wants to become stronger. If I had the power to pick who would be President it would be a short list, and Allan West, and Rand Paul would be on it.
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Post by Michael Downing on Oct 12, 2012 14:24:07 GMT -5
Ron Paul is a just an old gnome who had the audacity to quote the Golden Rule when it comes to foreign affairs in a debate and was booed for it, silly old fool that he is... Or is he???
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Post by midnightrider on Oct 12, 2012 18:05:26 GMT -5
I tend to think not! BUT opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one and it usually stinks. ;D
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