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Post by midnightrider on Aug 18, 2012 5:18:54 GMT -5
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Post by safetalker on Aug 18, 2012 7:00:04 GMT -5
Because I have sworn an oath to protect the Constitution does not make me a good guy. The gullibility of the public and their unwillingness to bring charges against individual Oath-breakers is at the heart. When Officer Steve arrived without a warrant he was no longer an Officer he was an agent. When he demanded that the man go anywhere he violated the Oath and made himself a perpetrator. Thus eligible for a charge of kidnapping.
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Post by Michael Downing on Aug 18, 2012 8:02:09 GMT -5
And just when I thought I could not be surprised by the state of affairs here in amerika. If I needed another reminder that we are at war this is it
Lest you think this is an isolated case, I have since heard from five-(5) other individuals in different parts of the U.S. that this has happened to within the last thirty-(30) days. It appears the war against freedom of opinion, freedom of speech, openly professing one’s belief in God and the right to bear arms is now sufficient to earn you a medical diagnosis of “psychosis.”
Christian gun owners of America, be forewarned.
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Post by hefferman1 on Aug 18, 2012 8:32:19 GMT -5
How many times do I have to say it.
Don't Talk To Cops.
They are not on your side, if they are following orders from TPTB.
When the cops came to his house, he should have asked for a warrant from a closed door. If there was no warrant, he should not have opened his door, and called his, or an Attorney to protect his right.
What give a physical therapist in another state the right to decide if he has mental issues? The liberals will use this form of attack more and more, they see Christianity as a mental disease.
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Post by Cujo on Aug 18, 2012 15:52:34 GMT -5
My real life experience about 18 months age has become even more real.
I was at my peak of speaking to patriot groups as MI's OK. Each year we get the calls from the P.O.P, paternal order of police, looking for donations. Instead of the one or two calls I was receiving many.
They all stopped once I received a call from the P.O.P. I answered the phone, yes I have caller ID, it was not the normal sales pitch.
He identified himself with the P.O.P. and directly asked me how I was doing. I replied I'm fine.
He then said are you sure you are OK? Then silence. I paused & thought why would he ask me that? Then I asked him that Q. Why would you ask me that, what concern is it to you?
Still silence, then have a nice day sir!!! Click.
Ten min. later my neighbor calls & says a while car with one man driving was parked across the corner for about 20-30 min., as if he was watching the house. My neighbor said he left about ten min ago, just about the time I got my call from the P.O.P.
This post really give some clarity to that call now.
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Post by aronatbc on Aug 20, 2012 12:45:24 GMT -5
Makes me wonder how they will go about targeting Agnostics like me. I'm an ardent supporter of those who follow the peaceful tenets of their chosen Religions faith. I am an "extremist" when it comes to the defense of our freedoms and the Constitution the Founding Fathers put in place for us.
I just hope they don't end up shooting my dog...
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Post by hefferman1 on Aug 20, 2012 13:13:51 GMT -5
Makes me wonder how they will go about targeting Agnostics like me. I'm an ardent supporter of those who follow the peaceful tenets of their chosen Religions faith. I am an "extremist" when it comes to the defense of our freedoms and the Constitution the Founding Fathers put in place for us. I just hope they don't end up shooting my dog... They shot my dog and it is ON MAN!!! IT IS ON!!!!!!! It is on well before they shot the dog, because he is inside the house, and is a family member IMHO.
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Post by safetalker on Aug 20, 2012 15:08:18 GMT -5
They will come as they always do. Between 2AM and 5AM. They will slip in and do a size up with two officers to make sure the number of doors, canines in the yard, and where the obstacles are. Then they will group for the perimeter and the door crashers. When all is ready they will have a guy in the vehicle key the mic of the PA and they will enter as the words Police/sheriff/who ever are shouted by everyone. Once in the house they will play clearance and move everyone to the main room so they can search without weapons. The question is do you have a realistic plan? The guy I met last weekend has a good response. He has the master switch for his sprinkler system next to his bed. If he gets a hit off his proximity alarms he turns on the sprinklers. It works on Cops, Robbers, Dogs, and raccoons. I suggest that everyone go to training.fema.gov/is/crslist.asp?page=allthen drop down to ICS 100 and ICS 200. These courses are FREE and will provide you a detailed knowledge of exactly what and how and by whom what will happen. Each course takes a fair reader about 1 hour to finish. They will even send you a certificate for passing the courses. Some are even worth College credit. You can't prepare unless you strip off all of the BS and get real facts. These courses are what the guys who are coming studied.
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Post by avordvet on Aug 20, 2012 15:31:58 GMT -5
He has the master switch for his sprinkler system next to his bed. If he gets a hit off his proximity alarms he turns on the sprinklers. I like it, talk about disrupting the OODA loop... heh!
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Post by midnightrider on Aug 20, 2012 17:27:56 GMT -5
I have had to take these plus a couple others on the list for my involvement in our Search and Rescue team. I kind of looked at it like inside the OODA loop. Plus I hone my tracking and navigational skills. And just plain ole traipsing around the swap and woods and corn fields etc.etc.
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Post by safetalker on Aug 20, 2012 19:38:11 GMT -5
The more of these courses the better you are equipped to handle the situations. There needs to be home plans that also include the after raid times.
My wife and I have already sat down and looked at the side effects and how they may effect her and the rest of the family. This makes it possible for me to sit quietly in a cell knowing she and my other kids are safe. This removes the JBT's ability to threaten them. You should do like wise.
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Post by dan on Aug 20, 2012 20:03:22 GMT -5
A lot of states allow what the police did here, and some would allow the police to further, to the point of forced entry, in order to do what is called a "welfare check." Yes, if someone calls the cops and says you're mentally unstable, that you may harm yourself or others, the cops can do this.
This is not really anything new.
Welfare checks, as unconstitutional as they are, have been going on for some time. That's how the cops in New Jersey were able to search Brian Aitkin's vehicle resulting in his weapons being confiscated and him doing time in jail until Gov Christie commuted his sentance.
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Post by aronatbc on Aug 21, 2012 8:38:35 GMT -5
Stuff like this worries me. I'm an "odd duck". Not a flamboyant character, but folks who know me know that my mind doesn't work like others. Part of this makes me an excellent troubleshooter and a more than adequate network administrator. Another part means I score pretty low on empathy tests.
I don't follow trends. I don't make friends easily. I'm blunt as the business end of a sledgehammer and my social filters don't always keep up with my mouth. I am not PC by any measure.
How soon before some "concerned citizen" calls me in? Some disaffected family member drops a line to the Feebies that "Aron's gots guns and he's kinda scary"...
I pay my taxes. I stay pretty close to the speed limit. I harm no one else and I'm good to my wife and kids. I love my life and I intend to protect it.
Leave. Me. Alone.
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Post by hefferman1 on Aug 21, 2012 9:12:34 GMT -5
Stuff like this worries me. I'm an "odd duck". Not a flamboyant character, but folks who know me know that my mind doesn't work like others. Part of this makes me an excellent troubleshooter and a more than adequate network administrator. Another part means I score pretty low on empathy tests. I don't follow trends. I don't make friends easily. I'm blunt as the business end of a sledgehammer and my social filters don't always keep up with my mouth. I am not PC by any measure. How soon before some "concerned citizen" calls me in? Some disaffected family member drops a line to the Feebies that "Aron's gots guns and he's kinda scary"... I pay my taxes. I stay pretty close to the speed limit. I harm no one else and I'm good to my wife and kids. I love my life and I intend to protect it. Leave. Me. Alone. First, I think you just discribed me. Second, that is an issue here also. I have a relative who is trouble, they have tried to start things between me, and more than one other relative. I have not spoken to them in over a year, but that will not stop them from lying again, if it is to their advatage. Third, it is well know in the family, and close friends (people I can trust) that I am armed. Fourth, anyone that knows me, knows this old Jarhead will not set and take it. They also know that I avoid fights, because when I get started I don't stop till the issue is done. My own sister said I go for the throat, or straight for the heart. When mad, I do not play nice. It is the old Jarhead in me, when that switch clicks it is hard to shut down.
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