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Post by hefferman1 on Jul 31, 2012 11:17:14 GMT -5
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Post by avordvet on Jul 31, 2012 14:34:34 GMT -5
Excellent refresher.
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Post by hefferman1 on Jul 31, 2012 17:11:09 GMT -5
I knew all that, but had picked up bad habit along the way. Always take an honest look at yourself.
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Post by avordvet on Jul 31, 2012 18:30:49 GMT -5
I knew all that, but had picked up bad habit along the way. Always take an honest look at yourself. and the only way to do that is put yourself out there to test yourself and your equipment... whens the last time you grabbed your gear and worked it out? We try for at least once a month here and that's not enough, considering opfor does it daily.
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Post by safetalker on Jul 31, 2012 21:12:27 GMT -5
Geeesh! In all of my 27 years of soldiering I never had to worry about practising to be miserable. It is built in to the job structure. In what is coming though what is said here will be 90 to 100 days down the road. The first thing will be Food. Then Water. Then Ammo. Then Rest. That will be the orderin whicht they will not be available. The most destructive thing will be the lack of trustworthy people to work with. We are not being invaded. We are going to be forgotten. The hundreds of countries and communities that we have sent resources to are going to look the other way. We are going to watch as friends, and in some cases family members, turn in us and our friends for some food and water, or medical attention for a kid. There is no preparation for that. When a squad of men arrives at you door will you be able to tell if they are friends or foes. Did they come to barter, or to rape the wife, and steal your food? Will you have any choice if everyone is to stay alive? These are dark thoughts, and some may say too negative. I never saw any part of war that was not. If the local neighborhood protection group is out of food, and they think you have some they will come. They will not come to barter they will come to take. Will they allow you to live to tell about it? These are what you need to prepare for. No amount of PT or range practice will ever prepare you for war. War is a condition of the mind. Killing and injuring people that you have set behind in a Church or Theatre before they can harm you or your family is not something you can prepare for. Preparing will be a matter of setting down the family and making them understand that every friend they ever had is now an enemy. That Paula's mother will have to die if she comes over and tries to take water from the Hose. That their best friend who is out shooting his gun will be shot dead before he can be allowed to come into your house with the gun. That the meat on the table is called food, and not Fido. These are the things that have to be prepared for. "BY YOU" Because no one can explain this to their family until the time is upon them so You will have bear the knowledge that one day you will have to teach this lesson too.
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Post by mountainguerrilla on Jul 31, 2012 22:29:22 GMT -5
Safetalker. To begin, thanks for your service. While I did not spend 27 years in, I did spend 75-80% of my enlistments deployed to disruptive environments, in both the direct-action and foreign internal defense roles. I may know a thing or two about surviving and thriving in these types of environments, but that is ultimately up to the readers of the blog and those who undertake training with me.
In response to your comments, while no combat arms soldier has to practice being miserable, I would argue that the vast majority of US citizens, even amongst the "prepared" DO need to practice it, since they have generally lived a life of ease compared to what they will face in the coming tribulations. No, none of us who have experienced it can adequately "explain" what they will face, but we can do everything in our power to teach them via experience what some of it will be like.
As far as your comments regarding "No amount of PT or range practice will ever prepare you for war," it is absolutely, provably wrong. Realistic, effective training WILL be all that can prepare you to fight and kill the enemy. Combat mindset is nothing more than the ability to perform complex technical tasks under the stress of combat. The development of that ability comes on training field and range, and in the gym, and on the road as you run.
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Post by avordvet on Aug 1, 2012 3:52:29 GMT -5
but that is ultimately up to the readers of the blog and those who undertake training with me. keep up the good work, your blog has been one of the best at putting forth quality info to the masses.
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Post by midnightrider on Aug 1, 2012 6:36:40 GMT -5
but that is ultimately up to the readers of the blog and those who undertake training with me. keep up the good work, your blog has been one of the best at putting forth quality info to the masses. +1 Welcome aboard!
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Post by hefferman1 on Aug 1, 2012 9:39:52 GMT -5
Safetalker. To begin, thanks for your service. While I did not spend 27 years in, I did spend 75-80% of my enlistments deployed to disruptive environments, in both the direct-action and foreign internal defense roles. I may know a thing or two about surviving and thriving in these types of environments, but that is ultimately up to the readers of the blog and those who undertake training with me. In response to your comments, while no combat arms soldier has to practice being miserable, I would argue that the vast majority of US citizens, even amongst the "prepared" DO need to practice it, since they have generally lived a life of ease compared to what they will face in the coming tribulations. No, none of us who have experienced it can adequately "explain" what they will face, but we can do everything in our power to teach them via experience what some of it will be like. As far as your comments regarding "No amount of PT or range practice will ever prepare you for war," it is absolutely, provably wrong. Realistic, effective training WILL be all that can prepare you to fight and kill the enemy. Combat mindset is nothing more than the ability to perform complex technical tasks under the stress of combat. The development of that ability comes on training field and range, and in the gym, and on the road as you run. This old jarhead may not run a 300 PFT, or be able to pull off a 500 yard offhand shot anymore, but I know a thing, or two. How you train is how you will fight, at least at the start till you learn the rules of that war. (Every war is different) It is better to sweat today, then bleed tomorrow. We need to spend time in the field, and we need to train. The guys we may end up facing are in the field, and train. We must be prepared to face them, if we want to live free. I don't know about you, or anyone else, but when the ballon goes up, I will not set at my house waiting for them to come get me. I maybe a bit beat up by life, but I am still a Marine. I will ruck up and go meet the enemy. I will take the fight to them, whatever the outcome. If you want to live free, setting in the dark at home waiting for the door to be busted down is not how to do it. It is better to die one day fighting as a freeman, then live 100 years as a SLAVE!
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Post by hefferman1 on Aug 1, 2012 9:50:28 GMT -5
Geeesh! In all of my 27 years of soldiering I never had to worry about practising to be miserable. It is built in to the job structure. In what is coming though what is said here will be 90 to 100 days down the road. The first thing will be Food. Then Water. Then Ammo. Then Rest. That will be the orderin whicht they will not be available. The most destructive thing will be the lack of trustworthy people to work with. We are not being invaded. We are going to be forgotten. The hundreds of countries and communities that we have sent resources to are going to look the other way. We are going to watch as friends, and in some cases family members, turn in us and our friends for some food and water, or medical attention for a kid. There is no preparation for that. When a squad of men arrives at you door will you be able to tell if they are friends or foes. Did they come to barter, or to rape the wife, and steal your food? Will you have any choice if everyone is to stay alive? These are dark thoughts, and some may say too negative. I never saw any part of war that was not. If the local neighborhood protection group is out of food, and they think you have some they will come. They will not come to barter they will come to take. Will they allow you to live to tell about it? These are what you need to prepare for. No amount of PT or range practice will ever prepare you for war. War is a condition of the mind. Killing and injuring people that you have set behind in a Church or Theatre before they can harm you or your family is not something you can prepare for. Preparing will be a matter of setting down the family and making them understand that every friend they ever had is now an enemy. That Paula's mother will have to die if she comes over and tries to take water from the Hose. That their best friend who is out shooting his gun will be shot dead before he can be allowed to come into your house with the gun. That the meat on the table is called food, and not Fido. These are the things that have to be prepared for. "BY YOU"Because no one can explain this to their family until the time is upon them so You will have bear the knowledge that one day you will have to teach this lesson too. You do not train to be miserable, that is a byproduct of training. The ability to continue to breath is also a byproduct of training. If they hit your house and you are not trained to change mags quickly, or how to go around a corner, or cover an area properly, you will not stand a chance. As much as possible enjoy being miserable, because it may mean you and the ones you love still get to enjoy life.
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Post by hefferman1 on Aug 1, 2012 9:52:10 GMT -5
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