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Post by midnightrider on Jul 12, 2012 6:25:30 GMT -5
Back when I was a kid we used to call them loud mouths. You know what I’m talking about; the guys who know everything but never do anything with what they know. The Bible calls it “faith without works” or “clouds without rain.” Shakespeare said that they were “sound and fury, signifying nothing.” www.newswithviews.com/Daubenmire/dave287.htm
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Post by avordvet on Jul 12, 2012 7:32:50 GMT -5
Typical, get rid of dissent essay... Damn near sounds like its coming directly from the White House.
The author does minimal effort in pointing out the alternatives to talk radio... a medium that may have saved or at the very least, slowed the destruction of the country.
Whether partisan or not, the voices add to the building crescendo. I don't care whether they wake someone up with Republican, Conservative or Libertarian views, I just want the sheeple woken up.
Without the Net AND Talk Radio awakening millions and pumping the word out, the fight would have pretty much been over in 2009. So who is gonna get the word out? Main Stream Media, Ron Paulites, Info Wars? frigging please.
Just like many other sources, Talk Radio has a part in repelling the NWO hordes currently beating down our gates.
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Post by avordvet on Jul 12, 2012 7:46:43 GMT -5
Our problems are so much bigger than Liberals and Conservatives. Rush's and Sean's solutions are so shallow. How can any "conservative" hate Ron Paul and embrace Mitt Romney?
As I get older I become more aware of the passage of time and how short life really is. Sean and Rush are missing a change to lead a movement. Electing Republicans is not "change you can believe in."
Railing against the GOP and blindly supporting Ron Paul... Who by the way is STILL a registered Republican.
If Paulites were so concerned about the GOP destroying the country, then they could at least make sure their own candidate holds to the standards and principles that they espouse and are trying to force on others.
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Post by midnightrider on Jul 12, 2012 7:59:13 GMT -5
If Paulites were so concerned about the GOP destroying the country, then they could at least make sure their own candidate holds to the standards and principles that they espouse and are trying to force on others.
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Post by avordvet on Jul 12, 2012 8:10:02 GMT -5
You know what I'm saying... but I'm more than willing to repeat what needs repeating. "Railing against the GOP and blindly supporting Ron Paul... Who by the way is STILL a registered Republican."
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Post by hefferman1 on Jul 12, 2012 9:25:52 GMT -5
I see this stuff on Paul and can do nothing but think the liberal media is attempting to divide the vote, so Odumba can win.
It reminds me of Perot and how they splint the vote to help Clinton win.
It is how the got Lincoln elected the first time, it is how they got Wilson elected the first time.
The communist/progressive group have used this before and will do so again, if we give them the chance.
You know I am not a Romney supporter, but if it gives me 6 months to a year to get things better prepared then it is worth having a wishy washy spineless twit, rather then Odumba without the restrains of needing to be elected again.
Yes, this is the lesser of two evils argument again, but the lesser of two evils is still less evil than an American Dictatorship under Odumba.
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Post by midnightrider on Jul 12, 2012 9:43:15 GMT -5
It is just that I don't behave well when cornered.
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Post by Michael Downing on Jul 12, 2012 9:46:35 GMT -5
Yes, this is the lesser of two evils argument again, but the lesser of two evils is still less evil than an American Dictatorship under Odumba.
But the lesser of two evils is still evil. Sorry I have given up on swallowing that one any longer. Mitt Romney may be a better manager but when the Titanic was sinking a better manager would not have saved the ship.
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Post by Cujo on Jul 12, 2012 11:03:29 GMT -5
It is just that I don't behave well when cornered. Hell, you don't behave well anytime. ;D I can only support one that has & will follow the Constitution. This choice is not a blind choice, heff has a good perspective, if Obomny gets in it may buy him a little more prep time. We have been on borrowed time for to long & it is the peoples fault. We are out of time now, maybe we're on grace & that's running out. These last Republican debates, the talking heads & the media bashed & ignored the two people who talked of the Constitution. Can't & won't support the person who put the cat in a bag of rocks then tossed it into the river then claims to love cats. We are on a crash course, we can't change it but only influence it's path.
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Post by safetalker on Jul 12, 2012 13:20:21 GMT -5
SO here is what "I" see. Obama= 4 more years of what we have. What we have had under King George the lesser, and what we would have had if songbird McCain had not quit.
Romney: 4 more years of what we have. What we have had under King George the lesser, and what we would have had if songbird McCain had not quit.
Paul: 4 more years of what we have. What we have had under King George the lesser, and what we would have had if songbird McCain had not quit.
Did I miss anything? Hell! Paul's own sun gave him up. I wrote to his campaign back in January and asked if when he was elected he would revoke all of the Constitutionally unlawful Presidential Executive orders that applied to anyone outside his own Cabinet. The answer was that they had to be careful not to throw the Baby out with the bath water. Translated: I believe I too am above the Constitution.
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Post by midnightrider on Jul 12, 2012 13:28:16 GMT -5
Do we stand and fight? Or let our children face it down the road? I choose to fight my own battles and not let my children fight them for me. Just sayin!
EVIL IS EVIL no matter what mask it wears.
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Post by Cujo on Jul 12, 2012 14:45:59 GMT -5
Wow! I can only think of my family & some friends, we have to vote for Romney because he's a republican.
Kinda sounds like saying the German Jews need to vote for Hitler because he's a German!
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Post by busboy on Jul 12, 2012 17:58:27 GMT -5
Yes, this is the lesser of two evils argument again, but the lesser of two evils is still less evil than an American Dictatorship under Odumba. But the lesser of two evils is still evil. Sorry I have given up on swallowing that one any longer. Mitt Romney may be a better manager but when the Titanic was sinking a better manager would not have saved the ship. And again, what Presidential Candidate, in our entire history as a country (or any political representative candidate) is not "evil"? Folks we are voting for humans, they are evil by nature, flawed creatures. If not voting for the "lesser of two evils" is your mantra, then you should never vote. As such, you really are insignificant in the political realm. The problem with so many people (talks show hosts included) is they don't KNOW what resolutions are available to us, to fix the problems we face. There are so many things I DON'T hear from talk radio, it drives me nuts. But this is not to say that what some of them are saying is not useful and overall positive. Same can be said for many representatives. However, it is We the People who hold the ultimate responsibility of the course of the country, and how our representatives, represent us. Anyone who claims that the 2010 elections (and other elections from 2008 till today) have not resulted in improvements in this country, are being grossly ignorant, or disingenuous. So if there has been improvement, then why can it not be replicated? This is something that really puzzles me. We see successes, but disregard them, and claim they are not what they are, and claim they can not be repeated. Ironically, I have heard the "big mouths" speak of the very issues this fella listed as things he would like them to "inspire" people to do. Guess people just refuse to be inspired.....they would rather post "chicken little" posts and claim that there is nothing they can do, and they won't participate in the political tools which this fella said they need to be "inspired" to participate in. But yet again, there are people who have been inspired, and are having success.....but we are to ignore those too, cause they don't fit our "we are all doomed and are going to get raped" narrative. Anyone gotta a link to an Alex Jones story about a success of the People in thwarting an abuse by the government? Surely he has had at least one, right?
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Post by Michael Downing on Jul 12, 2012 19:29:26 GMT -5
If not voting for the "lesser of two evils" is your mantra, then you should never vote. As such, you really are insignificant in the political realm.
Well hell I guess I am just a happy camper who does not mind being insignificant in the political realm. I never said the all candidates and all presidents from day one were not flawed as such is the nature of the human existence but there is a difference being flawed and being evil. I admit to being flawed but not evil. I stand by my right to no longer support a "two is really one" party system and I will stand by my right to vote for whoever I damn well please without having to listen to someone telling me that I should never vote.
Take the bones the masters have allowed to fall at your feet sir and be content with them and continue plodding along ten paces behind your masters. Where some see small successes others still see the overshadowing of injustices, chains and shackles. I will continue working in my community and building my network and be happy in my insignificance because I do not give a bloody rat's ass any longer about their political realm. I will continue to contact those who no longer represent me and do not live up to their oath but not because I believe it will change the path they are on. I will do it because it is my right and my duty to do so.
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Post by Cujo on Jul 12, 2012 20:39:20 GMT -5
Why do I get the impression that this sounds like a scolding? As mentioned before there is truth in Doom & Gloom it is the seed for awareness & a reason for change. It depends on ones individual perspective.
You're starting to over step yourself my friend.
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Post by safetalker on Jul 12, 2012 21:51:01 GMT -5
You see Michael knows that I indeed am insignificant in the political realm. You see instead of reading the Wall street Journal, and the New York times I spend my time reading the bills submitted to congress. Like the new rider attached to the 2013 Agriculture Bill that gives Monsanto the "legal Right" to plant anything even if the states say no. Instead of reading about Obama's Birth Certificate I read the daily Presidential Briefings and see what he is doing with his EO's , Proclamations, and Memorandums like the one to give Hillary Clinton the signature power to sign the new UN Small Arms treaty that will be ratified on 27 July 2012 by the rest of the elected felons. I read the constitution for the United States with the original 13th article of Amendment instead of the Paul daily letter asking for more money to Audit the Fed. Yes I am absolutely Politically Insignificant. Instead of watching MSNBC for what Romney is doing I read the Reuters feed to see that he is about to get burned for marketing stolen Bonds to a Swiss Bonds Trader. Thank you Michael for clearing that up, and allowing me to sleep much better knowing that when one of these Elected Felons who incidentally went together to take their bows before the Bilderberger Conference in Chantilly VA in February, I will have a clear conscience and a well oiled weapon. Please don't think this is sarcasm. I truly thank anyone who says I am not a part of the Fools game of Election Fervour that has plagued the people for 200 years as outsiders picked our leaders since Washington.
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Post by Michael Downing on Jul 12, 2012 22:36:27 GMT -5
We have an open forum and speak freely and debate our beliefs and the news of the day and how we see that effecting ourselves and the cause of Liberty. Only when it looks like our debates seem to begin to get personal do I begin to be concerned. This site when I first came to it years ago was the only site that was self managed without a heavy hand of administrators and was the one place for a free exchange of ideas and honest debate. So it should always remain.
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Post by avordvet on Jul 13, 2012 6:26:30 GMT -5
We have an open forum and speak freely and debate our beliefs and the news of the day and how we see that effecting ourselves and the cause of Liberty. Only when it looks like our debates seem to begin to get personal do I begin to be concerned. This site when I first came to it years ago was the only site that was self managed without a heavy hand of administrators and was the one place for a free exchange of ideas and honest debate. So it should always remain. Whole heartily agree, good knowledgeable group of people, I have learned much while working this board. Although we have a widely diversified base, with a broad spectrum of views, it meshes well here.
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Post by avordvet on Jul 13, 2012 6:41:11 GMT -5
If not voting for the "lesser of two evils" is your mantra, then you should never vote. As such, you really are insignificant in the political realm. Remember men, vigorus debate is what we need, just don't let it get personal. We all care deeply about the direction our country is taking, and we all have strong views on what is needed to get where we need to be. Wanna win the debate? then put forth the stronger argument that will pull others on-board, that is how consensus is gained. As with a couple others here, I am done with the "two evils" choice and I will not participate. Yes I will still do my civic duties along with my usual activism, but just because I'm not doing it the way that YOU want, doesn't mean our paths are that far apart. As I have told people many times on various conservative forums, the GOP or any other party does not "own" my vote. Want it? earn it through your actions.
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Post by safetalker on Jul 13, 2012 7:20:07 GMT -5
Michael I say again that was not anger or sarcasm. I looked into my copy of the Constitution and it says that I only select my representatives. The President, VP, and other national folks are selected by the Electoral College. I do not register to vote because when you do you give the party you register under permission to select those people. It also gives money to those parties. I mailed the County Voter registration office an affidavit asking that my name be removed from the rolls. I owe no allegiance (base word is aleige: The one who you bend your knee to) only to Yahweh. So there was no argument and on my end no animosity.
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Post by blacksheardad on Jul 13, 2012 7:20:27 GMT -5
To me what it all boils down to is that ANY candidate for public office these days is there for the paycheck, the status and whatever else they can get to help themselves along. Long gone is the day when people ran for public office because they wanted to make a change in the wrong way our country was going. We used to be able to listen to political speeches and believe what was said. We could listen to the candidates and hear the passion in their voices for our country. Now, as with our current presidential election, they spend more time telling us how bad the other person is hoping we won't see how bad they are. I see so many people who focus all their attention on one candidate and completely ignore the others until it is those others who are the only ones left. Then complain about how bad the remaining one is. When in actuality all the candidates are simply there to get all the wealth and influence they can before TSHTF and they are forced underground like the rest of us. Fact is, if you listen to what the candidate says and what others say the candidate says, you'll never know the truth. Read what the candidate has done in the past cause they are not gonna change. Not for the better anyway. Those of us who come to this site and a few others, for the most part, have one reason for doing so. We are attired of the way our country is being run and want something better. We will never get ahead by attacking each other. I suggest not even talking about the candidates. Publish here the FACTS of what the candidates have done to educate others and then work to get the best man (or woman) in office. Build your networks so that when this once great country falls we can help build the new one. Without all the NWO idiots. Who's better, Paul or Romney? Who the hell knows. Because all we know is what they want us to know. Is there really any difference? Not much. We can no longer say "they're a member of the GOP so they are the right candidate." Start your letter writing campaign now and let them know they will be held accountable for their actions. And if they step across that line start writing to the members of Congress demanding they hold the candidate accountable or they will be replaced. Because unless they know their paycheck is going to be taken away, they ALL are going to do as little as possible. But one thing that is guaranteed. They want us to stay divided. Because if we ever start standing together, we can get our country back. And they really don't want that. It's all of them against all of us. Let's act as one, raise our voices, and take our government back. That's the ONLY way it's gonna work. www.rightwingamerica.com
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Post by avordvet on Jul 13, 2012 7:52:12 GMT -5
That's the ONLY way it's gonna work. Yup, good observations.
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Post by busboy on Jul 14, 2012 9:38:43 GMT -5
Why do I get the impression that this sounds like a scolding? As mentioned before there is truth in Doom & Gloom it is the seed for awareness & a reason for change. It depends on ones individual perspective. ... You're starting to over step yourself my friend. Indeed, I apologize for coming off this way, the joys of internet communication is that 90% of human communication is through body language and tone, both of which are eliminated via the keyboard. Also, lacking the ability to ask clarifying questions to questionable comments adds further to the potential for miscommunication. Allow me to try to insert my foot further into my mouth by trying to fashion my sentiments in a more accurate language. My point about "If not voting for the "lesser of two evils" is your mantra, then you should never vote. As such, you really are insignificant in the political realm." may be better expressed this way. If this is your view, then HOW do you ever vote? Few of us will ever have personal knowledge of a candidate on the federal level. We glean information about these candidates from very biased news sources, both left and right. To simply say, "they are all evil" is to surrender one's right and duty to occupy the government as owners, and in selecting our representatives. I understand the sentiments of folks who rightfully claim that the government is out of control, outside the bounds of the Constitution, especially the federal branches. But that still does not remove us from our responsibility of ownership of this country. Our representatives are behaving outside of our will. The solution is not to ignore that, by not participating, as that does nothing to solve the issue. If a person is not participating, they simply give more power and authority to those who are. Looking at elections, we can find many where there is apathy and non-participation. This does not mean that "evil" is not elected, it just means that fewer people had to select it. While we have parties and the media giving lip service to "get out the vote", they really don't want that. What they really want is for everyone to get to the point of tossing up their hands, saying there is no use in participating, and bowing out of the process. This way, they only have to woo those who are easily wooed, those who only participate once every 4 years. This Nov 6, one of two fellas will be elected President. If 99% of the public abstain from the election, then only 1% of the people will select who it is. I hesitate to use the Presidential election as an example, because I put near zero belief in the notion that the President will make any changes for the better, pro-Liberty/pro-Freedom. But this concept goes all the way down to the local levels. Once the politicians see that voters have given up and no longer participate, then they only have themselves and their party leaders to concern themselves with. Even on the federal level, we have seen where massive People participation has had a very positive impact, but this People participation is even more effective on the state and local levels.
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Post by busboy on Jul 14, 2012 9:39:57 GMT -5
There are MANY more ways to be effective in exerting ownership responsibilities upon our representative government than merely voting. In fact, if I had to give up one of the tools available to me, as an owner, I would seriously consider giving up voting in the general elections.
This said, if you are one who is engaged in one or more of the many efforts to impact this country's future for the positive, I bet I can name one thing that you would really like.......HELP!
If you are doing such things, and by just being here, it is HIGHLY likely you are, don't you want more people to join what you are doing? Don't you want more people to get off of their couches and lift a finger to save their country?
This is one reason why I struggle to understand the insistence of the "gloom and doom". Gloom and doom is not the reality of American owners, it is the reality of those who wish to oppress and take away our country. It is "their reality" for us.
Obviously things are not right, or we would not be on a forum such as this one. But "gloom and doom", without resolutions, feeds directly into the hands of those who desire "gloom and doom" for us.
There are people waking up every day. As times become more difficult, due to the economy or some other natural or man made calamity, more people wake up to the reality that our country is not the country our Founders passed on to us.
These newly awaked owners don't know what to do, or they would already be doing it, so they seek knowledge and information. However, strolling through the many patriot sites for information, they are treated to nearly exclusive stories of this or that going on or being forced upon us, with no solutions identified.
These newly awakened owners are getting stories from the main stream media that things are falling apart and "there is nothing you can do"....then they get the same sentiments from the patriot community. It is difficult to imagine that from this, they come to the conclusion they have to get active and involved, and join folks like yourself who are doing the very things our Founders expected of the future owners of the country, the heirs of their sacrifices.
However, if these newly awakened owners come to patriot sites and are given ideas, examples, and even guidance on how to successfully implement the many Constitutional tools available to We the People, they are much more apt to put a shoulder to the cart and help out.
"As mentioned before there is truth in Doom & Gloom it is the seed for awareness & a reason for change. It depends on ones individual perspective."
There is some truth in doom and gloom. And indeed, we all know that such stories and events shake the false and cozy reality of sleeping Americans. However, if ones perspective is that it all that is true is the gloom and doom, they are easily defeated.
I have, time and time again, spoken with people around the country, and have brought up positives which are taking place today, examples of We the People having positive and effective impacts on the course of the country....and often hear, "I never heard of that".
Their perspective has been crafted by the main stream media (and we can include many "conservative" talk shows in this lump, for this purpose), then further reinforced when they seek out information from patriot sources. So what else are they to believe?
In talking to very good and effective groups and organizations around the country, who are having successes in preserving/regaining this country for the cause of Freedom and Liberty, they all have the same problem.....they need help, they desire more People to get engaged.
Very few people have the ability to volunteer for a task if their perspective is that they are assured to fail, there is no hope.
Heck, General George Washington understood this in his time, very well. After taking defeat after defeat, at the hands of the British, throughout 1776, he faced the loss of his army, and the loss of the cause, looming come January 1st, 1777. This motivated him to take the very risky operation of Christmas Eve, 1776, crossing the Delaware.
He was advised not to attempt this operation, but he understood that unless there was a success to point to, to inspire hope for future success, his army would abandon the effort and the cause would be dead in just a couple of weeks.
Even after getting word that 2/3s of the operation had turned back and failed, he continued. To quit was sure death of the cause, he knew this.
While there were many pivotal events during the Revolutionary War, at that moment, those decisions were the most pivotal. We have the advantages of hindsight to know that all worked out. General Washington had the foresight to understand that no matter how grand and righteous their cause, they needed tangible positive successes to continue the cause. They needed a "perspective" which while definitely had plenty of gloom and doom, had hope and success as well.
People, as they awaken, come to people like us, not to commiserate the demise of our country, but seeking answers and hope. If we can not offer them any, then what is to motivate them to join us?
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