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Post by hefferman1 on Jun 5, 2012 18:15:13 GMT -5
What do you do with idiot relatives that never learn?
My sister lives next door to us. It used to be all one big farm, but us three kids bought it from Mom, and Dad.
My sister has done nothing to prep, and has said more than once she knows where to go if things go bad. She even suggested what I should store, even thought she has never stored anything.
Today the State Police came by the farm. They said their helicopter saw a pot plant and they wanted to have a look around.
I was inside and did not know they were here till I heard the dog bark and walked outside. My sister had given them permission to look around the farm, even the part that is my land. She blabbed on and on to the State Police, about everything.
What do you do with stupid relatives who never learn and do dumb thing after dumb thing?
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Post by hefferman1 on Jun 5, 2012 18:20:23 GMT -5
I left off something.
I mentioned you never let cops on the property without a search warrant. My sister and mother both asked "Why if you have nothing to hide?"
I stressed your 4th amendment Rights and they still asked why.
I made my Mom and Dad set and watch "Don't talk to Cops" months ago, and they still did this stupid stuff.
I tried to talk to them about it tonight and it was like talking to a bunch of rocks.
What do I do with my idiot relatives who will be more of a drain, then a help if things go bad?
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Post by avordvet on Jun 5, 2012 18:31:44 GMT -5
What do I do with my idiot relatives who will be more of a drain, then a help if things go bad? Hopefully you have some alternate bug-out plans...
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Post by brocktownsend on Jun 5, 2012 18:47:42 GMT -5
What do I do with my idiot relatives who will be more of a drain, then a help if things go bad? Hopefully you have some alternate bug-out plans... Yup, tell them don't bother going to your place. Sorry about this.
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Post by safetalker on Jun 5, 2012 19:50:21 GMT -5
A family is like a cow-lick on the back of your head. There is nothing you can do with them till they are gone, and then you wish everyday to have them back. Now they have visited your place and found no Pot (I assume you aren't supplementing the farm wages) the next step is to sit down and prepare an Affidavit of Truth. It should state that "as verified by their visit on ( date they were there) that no illegal or unlawful products are manufactured, agriculturalized, or stored on the property located (here you give a metes and bounds legal description that covers the entire property you own) no reason for future visits are needed". Then state that "in the future no County, Federal, or State employees are allowed to trespass, enter onto, or cross over these properties without an appointment secured 24 business hours prior by submission of a Judicial Warrant, or typed Official letter with the name of the person to visit by name, the reason for the visit, and the quoted regulation allowing said visit signed by a State Judge". That "violation of this requirement will be taken as a legal violation of your 4th amendment rights", and the "right to "Quiet Enjoyment" specified on your deed. Then sign this in front of a State notary and record it at your Register of Deeds office as an Affidavit". Remember legal lines of defence are, as important, if not more important than range cards.
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Post by Sedition on Jun 5, 2012 20:07:39 GMT -5
A shotgun, a shovel, and tight lips.
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Post by hefferman1 on Jun 5, 2012 20:33:19 GMT -5
Hopefully you have some alternate bug-out plans... Yup, tell them don't bother going to your place. Sorry about this. I have caches in other places, and in places that will be hard to find. I have not cached any weapons as I want to keep them safe. A cached weapon is not safe as it can not be checked on and is not in a completely safe place. I may go ahead and cache more ammo, water, food, tools, and even weapons. If it was not for Mom and Dad, I would sell the farm, and move to an area in the hills. I would not tell anyone who was not welcome in an emergency where I was living.
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Post by hefferman1 on Jun 5, 2012 20:35:46 GMT -5
A shotgun, a shovel, and tight lips. That is cold. She is my sister, no matter how stupid she is. That said I prefer pigs, as the DNA is destroyed when digested. The only thing is the pigs do not digest the teeth. A Hot fire will destroy the teeth and the DNA.
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Post by Michael Downing on Jun 5, 2012 20:52:02 GMT -5
As often as I wish my family was closer there is much to say about having them 12-16 hours away. My immediate family is all gathered within 20-30 minutes but my extremely liberal sister is close to 12 hours away and the rest fo the family is tucked away even farther in northern NH. My mother will be in good hands as my brothers especially the brother 4 years younger than I is tough as nails, strong willed and right minded...
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Post by avordvet on Jun 6, 2012 5:36:55 GMT -5
I make it point blank to any relatives, friends, and acquaintances... I'll help you as long as you are preparing and helping yourself... DO NOT come to my door AFTER SHTF as it won't be opening.
I have warned them for years... My job is done, and my conscience is clear.
As Pete over at WRSA says.. "Harden the Heart", Darwin will take care of the rest, just work on preparing YOUR Tribe.
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Post by Cujo on Jun 6, 2012 6:58:39 GMT -5
I make it point blank to any relitives, friends, and aquantances... I'll help you as long as you are preparing and helping yourself... DO NOT come to my door AFTER SHTF as it won't be opening. I have warned them for years... My job is done, and my conscience is clear. As Pete over at WRSA says.. "Harden the Heart", Darwin will take care of the rest, just work on preparing YOUR Tribe. This is the same approach I use, help yourselves I will help you! On the other hand, my family has also ignored what's looking them in the eyes & think I'm overboard. They will be the first at our doors, claiming family first privileges!
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Post by hefferman1 on Jun 6, 2012 10:26:29 GMT -5
Talked to a friend who is a lawyer about this. I said they should have been made to go get a warrant. She said "If you made them go get a warrant they would have found something." I said "There was nothing to find." She said "They still would have found something." She went on to say, "It was easier to just let them come look."
I asked "So then you are OK with cops planting evidence, if they are made to go get a warrant?"
She, backtracked and said "No. But they would have found something if you made them go get a warrant."
I said "I would have video taped it, and they would have found nothing."
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Post by hefferman1 on Jun 6, 2012 10:29:21 GMT -5
I thought about it, and the reason everyone rights are being trampled on, is most people will not exercise their rights and stand up.
We live in a land of weak willed spineless sheeple, and they wonder why Unions, Government, and the Socialist are running over them.
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Post by avordvet on Jun 6, 2012 13:02:07 GMT -5
I thought about it, and the reason everyone rights are being trampled on, is most people will not exercise their rights and stand up. Yup, you are absolutely correct, they have been properly programed to bow to whatever they perceive as "authority", whether it be a LEO or a security guard at the mall. I make sure EVERYONE at my house knows that I am the only one to allow a search of my property... they do it and there will be repercussions.
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Post by hefferman1 on Jun 6, 2012 21:45:47 GMT -5
Talked to a friend who is a lawyer about this. I said they should have been made to go get a warrant. She said "If you made them go get a warrant they would have found something." I said "There was nothing to find." She said "They still would have found something." She went on to say, "It was easier to just let them come look." I asked "So then you are OK with cops planting evidence, if they are made to go get a warrant?" She, backtracked and said "No. But they would have found something if you made them go get a warrant." I said "I would have video taped it, and they would have found nothing." This is a lawyer!!! She should be appalled at people just giving up their rights, or the cops planting evidence. This country has no moral integrity anymore. This has shocked me. Are the people we can trust just the former military and a few patriots who hold their Inalienable Rights as something precious? Are we the only ones who think freedom is more than watching Idol, Survivor, or spending money? Are we the only ones who hold these Inalienable God Given Rights, and our integrity worth dieing for? If so, then America is lost and those who hold freedom dear need to leave this hallow Shadow of a country and go form a new Country with strictly limited government. Where freedom is held by the individual man and woman. I guess that would be the ultimate voting with our feet, wouldn't it.
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Post by Michael Downing on Jun 6, 2012 22:17:33 GMT -5
If so, then America is lost and those who hold freedom dear need to leave this hallow Shadow of a country and go form a new Country with strictly limited government. Where freedom is held by the individual man and woman.
Hef - You are getting closer to where I have found myself for some time but do not give up hope. There is something inside those who fell the need to stand for Liberty, for what is right and the Rule of Law that is at total disconnect with the majority of the population. Stand we will and stand we must first because it is right and second because we have no choice as if it is in our DNA. Part of my post in reply to TL's Naivete is below.
"I am sorry but I believe the Republic is dead and has been for some time. It cannot be resurrected nor restored. The divisions among us is far too great. It is time to forget the Republic and look to the republics as they did when the country was first formed. North Carolina should be a sovereign entity and not held to interests of New York or California or Washington state. It may just be time to stand together in our own states or a state of our choosing and forget the sheeple waiting for the next season of American Idol or waiting for the next government handout."
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Post by avordvet on Jun 7, 2012 5:44:57 GMT -5
If so, then America is lost and those who hold freedom dear need to leave this hallow Shadow of a country and go form a new Country with strictly limited government. Where freedom is held by the individual man and woman. Problem is they are not taught Constitutional Law, they are taught to use Case Law/Legal Precedents (sometimes even foreign law)... sure every now and then some "constitutional issue" pops up, that a lawyer will tangle with, but for the most part they think that it's for the judges to decide.
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Post by safetalker on Jun 7, 2012 8:35:20 GMT -5
Michael They have already done that. The republic did it on a National level in 2010, and here in North Carolina John Aynsworth did it in 1967. The problem is neither of these two groups have stated to "We the People" that they will continue to pay the Welfare, Retirement, and Social Security checks. Thus no one wants to hear about them. Every man in this nation has just 3 choices: 1. Get your guns and go join the Militias of the 50 States (some states have two or more to choose from). They wont pay those checks either so they are under the table. 2. Join one of the State republics and help create the backbone of a new Republic. See one above ref checks. However they do claim to support helping everyone. 3. Wait till the current Governmnet runs out of money for those checks and work for the UN when they get here with the checks.
In either of the first two cases I suggest that you will, if over 60 years of age end up in a new home with tall fences and one door.
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