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Post by brocktownsend on Jul 7, 2009 19:52:51 GMT -5
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Post by hefferman1 on Jul 7, 2009 20:12:26 GMT -5
How about not avoiding the road block?
It depends on how many are at this road block. How close their support is, or maybe. If I'm alone, or I have support. If I'm injured, or have injured people with me. Can we get around and be unnoticed?
How about using a few well aimed shots, and then take their guns and vehicles, or their guns and fuel.
If i'm having to pull back, I'll be needing to replace a few hundred, or so rounds, I have expended and this is a good way to do it.
There are too many questions without knowing what is going on.
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Post by brocktownsend on Jul 7, 2009 20:27:22 GMT -5
How about not avoiding the road block? It depends on how many are at this road block. How close their support is, or maybe. If I'm alone, or I have support. If I'm injured, or have injured people with me. Can we get around and be unnoticed? How about using a few well aimed shots, and then take their guns and vehicles, or their guns and fuel. If i'm having to pull back, I'll be needing to replace a few hundred, or so rounds, I have expended and this is a good way to do it. There are too many questions without knowing what is going on. Certainly, but I would be in favor of avoiding them, personally, though I could have a little more in my favor with a base decal, ID, etcetera, but I would rather them not ask if I have any weapons, even though I have a CCW, if I have quite a few in the trunk with ammo, but you are correct in stating it would depend on the circumstances.
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Post by farmerp on Jul 7, 2009 21:00:50 GMT -5
A very well written preparedness document. We Americans seem to take an awful lot before we get fired up enough to take to the streets, but it's coming at some point, you can take that to the bank if there are any still open.
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Post by brocktownsend on Jul 7, 2009 21:05:30 GMT -5
A very well written preparedness document. We Americans seem to take an awful lot before we get fired up enough to take to the streets, but it's coming at some point, you can take that to the bank if there are any still open. "if there are any still open." I've bought some pre-65 90% silver dimes.
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Post by Michael Downing on Jul 7, 2009 21:25:28 GMT -5
I believe that there are only two rules that really apply today. First patience and second preparedness. We must know when to react and never over react and we must spend every free moment becoming more prepared for every contingency. In the words of General George Washington:
"The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves."
"To be prepared for war is one of the most effective means of preserving peace."
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Post by spy1 on Jul 8, 2009 13:09:00 GMT -5
Excellent article, Brock - thank you. Pete
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Post by brocktownsend on Jul 8, 2009 13:41:16 GMT -5
Excellent article, Brock - thank you. Pete Yes Sir. The roadblocks gave me particular attention. I had already thought of that briefly before, but now am making specific plans in case the decision was made to move to a large land area. It would be a disaster to lose everything you were carrying; therefore, if it came to that, I plan on dividing everything up into three different vehicles, and then having a forth empty vehicle proceed a good ways in advance taking secondary roads with communication equipment in order to relay any problem ahead. Of course, as Rawls continually beats into everyone's heads, you should live full time at your retreat, but all can't do that, although, I suspect if things continue to spiral downwards, there will be more taking this advice.
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Post by nwtimmy on Jul 8, 2009 23:59:56 GMT -5
definitely some good things to think about. I've had the road block discussion with some of my crew. We've got a plan in place for getting where we need to go. Now to come up with the contingency plans.
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Post by brocktownsend on Jul 9, 2009 19:10:12 GMT -5
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Post by brocktownsend on Jul 9, 2009 19:36:21 GMT -5
A very well written preparedness document. We Americans seem to take an awful lot before we get fired up enough to take to the streets, but it's coming at some point, you can take that to the bank if there are any still open. "if there are any still open." I've bought some pre-65 90% silver dimes. The Case For Buying & (Eventually) Using Silver Coinswww.namsouth.com/viewtopic.php?t=2891Notice that I have priced the items both in dollars and in ounces of silver. The prices (in dollars) are deceptive because, on average, prices for these 20 items have increased eightfold since the early 1960s! The prices in silver tell the truth. In most cases the prices (in silver) are somewhat comparable. Many items even look “cheap” now, in silver terms. That implies that the price of silver is too low. www.survivalblog.com/2009/07/the_case_for_accumulating_and.html
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Post by Michael Downing on Jul 9, 2009 20:20:27 GMT -5
Brock I have managed manufactuirng facilities for almost 30 years in tooling for metal, wood. plastic and masonary. I have spoken with customers and suppliers nation wide and most hope we have hit bttom but many feel that it is a false bottom thta will drop out from under us in the 3rd or 4th quarter of thsi year. Even if we have hit bottom most of thsoe I have spoken with believe that unemployment will continue to worsen into the 1st or 2nd quarter of next year. I agree that the official figures are at half or less than reality. Gerald Celente of the Trends Research Institute has pointed that out and has gone as far as predicting possible civil unrest including food riots. They predict this will be much worse than the Great depression. In fact we are not being told the truth. We have not spent 80% of the first stimulus and yet we want to talk another stimulus with little to no proof that the first one has had a positive effect. www.trendsresearch.com/
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Post by brocktownsend on Jul 9, 2009 20:39:56 GMT -5
Maybe we could replace Hussein in a coup with Ron Paul, and Gerald Celente as his financial man. We would be far ahead.
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Post by Bowhunter on Jul 9, 2009 21:04:21 GMT -5
The goal is not that the stimulus succeed. It's purpose is to further, and quickly, enslave the country and cripple us. A second stimuls hell no - it would be 3rd as I count it. Like Cap and Trade - its purpose to further destroy the middle class and our manufacturing base - manufacturing is where wealth of a nation is created and our wealth is being taken away. If we survive an America in this plan will be no more forceful than France. A huge resource for the plunder of those who hold power in another part of the world. Those who want to hold all of the power. The Obama administration and our traitorous self serving Congress can be proud of thier accomplishments .. everything is going according to plan, no matter what they say in public. The ends justify the means... we better have some unrest, and we better have help.
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Post by brocktownsend on Jul 9, 2009 21:40:51 GMT -5
The goal is not that the stimulus succeed. It's purpose is to further, and quickly, enslave the country and cripple us. A second stimuls hell no - it would be 3rd as I count it. Like Cap and Trade - its purpose to further destroy the middle class and our manufacturing base - manufacturing is where wealth of a nation is created and our wealth is being taken away. If we survive an America in this plan will be no more forceful than France. A huge resource for the plunder of those who hold power in another part of the world. Those who want to hold all of the power. The Obama administration and our traitorous self serving Congress can be proud of thier accomplishments .. everything is going according to plan, no matter what they say in public. The ends justify the means... we better have some unrest, and we better have help. "we better have some unrest, and we better have help."We should have the unrest, but I don't know where the help will come from, if you mean outside the US, or maybe you mean other Patriot groups here?
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Post by ironwill on Jul 10, 2009 9:26:15 GMT -5
I believe that there are only two rules that really apply today. First patience and second preparedness. We must know when to react and never over react and we must spend every free moment becoming more prepared for every contingency. In the words of General George Washington: "The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves." "To be prepared for war is one of the most effective means of preserving peace." Have any of you watched this yet? (sorry for the stupid ads on the right, they just get added when you link to youtube.)
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Post by brocktownsend on Jul 10, 2009 13:33:46 GMT -5
I did see that a while ago, and as I remember it was pretty good. Think I'll check it out again, though.
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Post by Michael Downing on Jul 10, 2009 21:40:53 GMT -5
Bowhunter I could not agree more even though it brings me real close to the O.W.N. people that not so long ago I thought were on the lunatic fringe. I now believe that the the end game is collapsing the country and in the crisis that follows to create the N.A.U. (North American Union). Second stimulus is just another move. The Fed not being under any scrutiny and is it billions or trillions now that they seem to not be able to account for. Every move now (more than ever) seems to lower our status, devalue our dollar and move jobs overseas. As they lower us, other third world nations are raised up. We will have to adhere to cap and trade but China and India and the rest will not. All from a candidate that was going to punish companies that sent jobs overseas. Absolutely Amazing and tell me that there is not a plan here...
The only help we can expect will come from within as Americans wake up. Any hope from outside allies who are more divided than we are will never come although we may get support from those willing to come and join the struggle. Be prepared especially if you are not in a strong red state as you wmay have to move. Bottom line is that if it falls to civil unrest we will have to survive, possibly relocate if you are in a blue state and man up in those strong red states and make a stand. Once that is done the rest should be clear...
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Post by brocktownsend on Jul 10, 2009 21:51:24 GMT -5
Bowhunter I could not agree more even though it brings me real close to the O.W.N. people that not so long ago I thought were on the lunatic fringe. I now believe that the the end game is collapsing the country and in the crisis that follows to create the N.A.U. (North American Union). Second stimulus is just another move. The Fed not being under any scrutiny and is it billions or trillions now that they seem to not be able to account for. Every move now (more than ever) seems to lower our status, devalue our dollar and move jobs overseas. As they lower us, other third world nations are raised up. We will have to adhere to cap and trade but China and India and the rest will not. All from a candidate that was going to punish companies that sent jobs overseas. Absolutely Amazing and tell me that there is not a plan here... The only help we can expect will come from within as Americans wake up. Any hope from outside allies who are more divided than we are will never come although we may get support from those willing to come and join the struggle. Be prepared especially if you are not in a strong red state as you wmay have to move. Bottom line is that if it falls to civil unrest we will have to survive, possibly relocate if you are in a blue state and man up in those strong red states and make a stand. Once that is done the rest should be clear... Here's something to keep in the back of your noggin. www.grannywarriors.com/bugout1.htm
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Post by brocktownsend on Jul 12, 2009 15:45:03 GMT -5
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Post by brocktownsend on Jul 12, 2009 15:55:04 GMT -5
And OldSailor just posted this on NCCM. Makes my day!"Down the street from me there are 5 young marines that share a large house. They are a little loud at times but they are basically good kids. They have no Idea what I do or who I talk to. I'm just neighbor X to them. To satisfy my own curiosity I bought a 12 pack, stuck it in my freezer for about 45 minutes and took a stroll over to visit. We chatted about deployments, Thai hookers, etc. Then I ask a question. If America had some domestic problems and you were ordered to fire on civilians would you do it? The older one, a sarge said "we Can't, it's against the law". So I said, "what if you were ordered to"? Here's the good part, the young PFC say's "my uncle is in the *Michigan Militia and I had this conversation with him, There is no way in hell a U.S. Marine will kill an American citizen. The others nodded in agreement. I went home with a nice buzz and a warm fuzzy." (This is worthwhile to keep on in the background. BT)*Liberty Tree Radio www.live365.com/stations/edtheak47
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Post by Michael Downing on Jul 12, 2009 18:26:13 GMT -5
Brock for some reason I could not connect with Liberty Tree Radio and it looked like they wanted to charge a fee.
Bottom line is I do not believe we are in risk of being hunted down by the US military adn I do not believe that we are at risk of round up by UN forces. I think more likely we are at risk of being taxed to death and strangled to the point where due to provacation someone or some group strikes out. When that happens it will be an isolated strike and be dealt with severely. It will be used to strengthen their anti gun position and the strangle hold will tighten. This will cause more isolated outbreaks of violence and the strangle hold will tighten again all with the backing of alot of the population.
The only way to prevent this is to try to reach as many as possible and make sure they understand the need for patience and in the mean time organize and create the communication network that has been started. Those not on the network must be communicated to by those who are. There will always be more off the call tree than on it. There is still a chance that this war can be won without a shot being fired as the tide of opinion is slowly turning in our favor. To act in haste or strike out in anger will lessen that chance.
It is said that major Prescott gave the order at Bunker Hill, "Do not shoot until you see the whites of their eyes." I know for a fact that Colonel John Stark who had responded with Colonel James Reed from the NH Militia to reinforce the flanks at Bunker/Breeds Hill positioned his men and prior to the advance of the British, Colonel Stark went out and drove stakes in the ground just about 100 feet from their postitions. He instructed his men that no one could fire until the enemy had passed the line of stakes. We can do no less for to act in haste is to fail. We need to organize and communicate and pray for the best.
As an aside:
John Stark had served in Rogers Rangers during the French and Indian wars. He was an experienced guerilla fighter and a great tactician. He resigned his commision in the Continental Army during the war due to what he believed to be political influeence in Army affairs and returned to NH to take charge of the NH Militia at the request of the regional governor. He disobeyed orders when told to take his men to Saratoga NY and instead coordinated an attack against the Hussiens at Bennington , VT with the help of Militia called up from MA. His resounding defeat of the Hussiens, Brits and Loyalists at Bennignton is considered to be the turning point of the war which later led to the defeat of the British at Saratoga. At an anniversary of that battel in 1809 whne he was too ill to attend he sent a toast to his remianign men, "Live Free or Die; there are worse evils than death."
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Post by brocktownsend on Jul 12, 2009 19:32:17 GMT -5
When you click on play you are taken to a place where you have to sign up, but it's free, although they cut you off every now and then hoping you'll pay $5 a month, but you can just sign back on.
"The only way to prevent this is to try to reach as many as possible and make sure they understand the need for patience and in the mean time organize and create the communication network that has been started. Those not on the network must be communicated to by those who are. There will always be more off the call tree than on it. There is still a chance that this war can be won without a shot being fired as the tide of opinion is slowly turning in our favor. To act in haste or strike out in anger will lessen that chance."
Absolutely, and I enjoyed the history. My hero is the 80 year old man who attacked, killed some redcoats, then was shot, bayoneted numerous time, and left for dead, but he lived until 92, as I remember, and there are Oath Keepers today in their eighties, who are pledging!
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Post by busboy on Jul 14, 2009 3:28:08 GMT -5
Doing some research, this seems to be a "Haz-Mat" Emergency Containment Area for truckers.
Several truckers piped up on another forum about their training in this area and said it was for any emergencies with their Hazardous Materials.
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Post by Bowhunter on Jul 15, 2009 15:41:19 GMT -5
watched the video in OP - now I am just pissed off... will pray about it in church tonight! Getting real frustrated - and wish I was younger - (not that I am that old) I endeavor to be deliberate - emotion as a tool not a motivation.
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Post by brocktownsend on Jul 15, 2009 17:03:46 GMT -5
watched the video in OP - now I am just pissed off... will pray about it in church tonight! Getting real frustrated - and wish I was younger - (not that I am that old) I endeavor to be deliberate - emotion as a tool not a motivation. "......wish I was younger - (not that I am that old" I guarantee that I'm older than you bowhunter, but as one of my old sergeants use to say, "I don't give a rat's ass!" We can take inspiration from the man I alluded to in a previous post. Samuel Whittemore, My Hero www.namsouth.com/viewtopic.php?t=2899"Samuel Whittemore, an eighty year old hard working farmer, was living in Menotomy, Massachusetts when he became the oldest known colonial combatant in the American Revolutionary War. On April 19, 1775, British forces were returning to Boston from the Battles of Lexington and Concord, the opening engagements of the war. On their march, they were continually shot at by colonial militiamen. Whittemore was in his fields when he spotted an approaching British relief brigade under Hugh, Earl Percy, sent to assist the retreat. To his families dismay, Whittemore loaded his musket and ambushed the British from behind a nearby stone wall, killing one soldier, then drew his dueling pistols, and killed two more. Whittemore then attacked with a sword. He was shot in the face, bayoneted thirteen times, beaten, and left for dead in a pool of blood. His family not only found him alive, but trying to reload his musket to fight again! He was taken to Dr. Cotton Tufts of Medford, who held out no hope for his survival. However, Whittemore lived another eighteen years until dying of natural causes at the age of ninety-eight."
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Post by avordvet on Jul 15, 2009 17:42:16 GMT -5
I hope we have a lot of "Samuel Whittemores" preparing around the country.
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Post by Bowhunter on Jul 15, 2009 22:25:34 GMT -5
Thanks Brock - I did spend last weekend in a tac training course running with guys 20 years younger than me with no problem... cept it was darn hot... I dont give a rat's ass either! watched the video in OP - now I am just pissed off... will pray about it in church tonight! Getting real frustrated - and wish I was younger - (not that I am that old) I endeavor to be deliberate - emotion as a tool not a motivation. "......wish I was younger - (not that I am that old" I guarantee that I'm older than you bowhunter, but as one of my old sergeants use to say, "I don't give a rat's ass!" We can take inspiration from the man I alluded to in a previous post. Samuel Whittemore, My Hero www.namsouth.com/viewtopic.php?t=2899"Samuel Whittemore, an eighty year old hard working farmer, was living in Menotomy, Massachusetts when he became the oldest known colonial combatant in the American Revolutionary War. On April 19, 1775, British forces were returning to Boston from the Battles of Lexington and Concord, the opening engagements of the war. On their march, they were continually shot at by colonial militiamen. Whittemore was in his fields when he spotted an approaching British relief brigade under Hugh, Earl Percy, sent to assist the retreat. To his families dismay, Whittemore loaded his musket and ambushed the British from behind a nearby stone wall, killing one soldier, then drew his dueling pistols, and killed two more. Whittemore then attacked with a sword. He was shot in the face, bayoneted thirteen times, beaten, and left for dead in a pool of blood. His family not only found him alive, but trying to reload his musket to fight again! He was taken to Dr. Cotton Tufts of Medford, who held out no hope for his survival. However, Whittemore lived another eighteen years until dying of natural causes at the age of ninety-eight."
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Post by hefferman1 on Mar 12, 2011 19:28:46 GMT -5
I hope we have a lot of "Samuel Whittemores" preparing around the country. My 77 year old father, who is a minister and is having health problems, said "If they come on this farm to take our guns, or rights. I'll shot them. I don't care if they kill me, or not, I'll go down shooting." There are still Samuel Whittemores around, there are also some Francis Marions, who will bleed the socialist thugs to death. One small cut at a time. Remember the largest elephant is eaten one bite at a time, so bite off what you can chew and keep bitting.
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Post by brocktownsend on Mar 12, 2011 23:50:44 GMT -5
I hope we have a lot of "Samuel Whittemores" preparing around the country. My 77 year old father, who is a minister and is having health problems, said "If they come on this farm to take our guns, or rights. I'll shot them. I don't care if they kill me, or not, I'll go down shooting." There are still Samuel Whittemores around, there are also some Francis Marions, who will bleed the socialist thugs to death. One small cut at a time. Remember the largest elephant is eaten one bite at a time, so bite off what you can chew and keep bitting.
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