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Post by brocktownsend on Jan 3, 2010 18:54:25 GMT -5
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Post by trap115 on Jan 3, 2010 20:11:10 GMT -5
another good post B.T I also sent this to another site
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Post by brocktownsend on Jan 3, 2010 20:19:37 GMT -5
another good post B.T I also sent this to another site Depressing considering the point he conveys, but encouraging that there are men of this background in the fight. "......maybe you will have a chance to survive that gun seizure for the real battle later. At the very least you will have looked into the eyes of some of the enemy, constituted of complacency and obedience, you may one day face."
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Post by trap115 on Jan 3, 2010 20:27:15 GMT -5
Depressing considering the point he conveys, but encouraging that there are men of this background in the fight. that nails it
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Post by 2ncrca on Jan 3, 2010 21:18:37 GMT -5
It still boils down to basic skills. Technology can be defeated.
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Post by avordvet on Jan 4, 2010 6:03:07 GMT -5
It still boils down to basic skills. Technology can be defeated. You are correct, technology CAN be defeated... and one of my "tools" is now complete. Just built up and completed my Ghillie Suit this weekend, the only thing I'm missing is the cammo "threeper" flag... which will be installed shortly. I remember awhile back, someone was talking about a "resistance" uniform, the Ghillie would be it, problem would be finding each other to form up... ;D I'll have to get a few pics uploaded.
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Post by brocktownsend on Jan 4, 2010 14:22:35 GMT -5
It still boils down to basic skills. Technology can be defeated. You are correct, technology CAN be defeated... and one of my "tools" is now complete. Just built up and completed my Ghillie Suit this weekend, the only thing I'm missing is the cammo "threeper" flag... which will be installed shortly. I remember awhile back, someone was talking about a "resistance" uniform, the Ghillie would be it, problem would be finding each other to form up... ;D To compliment your attire. Camo Camper - $1000 eastnc.craigslist.org/spo/1535972587.html
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Post by lighteye on Jan 4, 2010 14:54:44 GMT -5
It comes down to pure will. Even the rock slingers in A-stan figured this out, and I am sure that most of us are a tad more intelligent.
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Post by avordvet on Jan 4, 2010 18:13:32 GMT -5
It comes down to pure will. Even the rock slingers in A-stan figured this out, and I am sure that most of us are a tad more intelligent. And there it is! Even with a lot of "top shelf" technology flowing through Iraq and Afghanistan, the fight goes on... High Tech Air Power fighting an enemy without aircraft. High Tech battlefield Surveillance and Monitoring fighting an enemy without satellites, AWACS, etc. High Tech Unmanned Aerial Vehicles fighting an enemy without UAVs. High Tech Armor fighting an enemy without an armor force. High Tech military forces including heavy uses of Special Forces fighting an enemy with very basic weapons. And the winner is?
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Post by jerome on Jan 5, 2010 9:25:09 GMT -5
If the politicans would get out of the way and let our military fight this like a real war the winner would be us, and it would be over very very quickly.
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Post by brocktownsend on Jan 6, 2010 14:54:14 GMT -5
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Post by avordvet on Jan 6, 2010 15:51:29 GMT -5
I agree with a lot of the article, but take issue with some of his base analysis... His numbers with the Military are a bit generous IMHO, I've always thought the split would be more like 70/30. I think NCO's would hold a lot of sway over the troops at the onset, so the OK/OB numbers would start higher, maybe 80/20, but I think it would drop after older more "patriotic" NCOs are replaced with people who "will get the job done", the upside is we will most likely be seeing those replaced NCOs on our lines. A lot of us have spent many years around the Military and/or Law Enforcement, so we can sort of "project" what the split would be, with few exceptions most of the people I have ever worked with (Military and Law Enforcement) have been very patriotic individuals "just doing their job". "at the Federal, state, local, and tribal levels -- are ready, willing, and able to behave in accordance with the Constitution's limitations, as written, on legitimate government activity.Be honest with yourself -- is it 20%? 10%? Less? More?
And if you say more, be prepared to give supporting hard data in chapter and verse, because I am calling Bravo-Sierra in advance on any such claim."There is absolutely NO way to project how many Government Bureaucrats would go one way or the other... but think of how many government "people" you know, yeah a large amount of them will side with... well, themselves, but how many would actually turn against their family, friends and neighbors, when push comes to shove. "I have never said, nor would I ever say, that every law enforcement officer and every prosecuting lawyer is an oath breaker. But, based on my law enforcement experience in metropolitan New York, I am willing to bet that 50% or more will act unconstitutionally against their fellow citizens come the Crunch."This is a "negative" that cannot be proven until push comes to shove, now maybe that would be the case in a lot of the major cities, but that is a small chunk of the total LEOs though-out the country. So a 50/50 split... don't know for sure but it seems way to high. Again, is the average LEO going to turn against Family, Friends and Neighbors? I say no.
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Post by 2ncrca on Jan 6, 2010 16:48:19 GMT -5
Another matter to consider as well and that is that people favor the underdog, if the underdog shows courage, determination and the conviction that what he is doing is just and performs in an honorly manner.
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