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Post by trap115 on Dec 30, 2009 7:18:41 GMT -5
It never made any sense to me to carry without one in the chamber.when every milli second counts?
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Post by JohnG/Leo on Dec 30, 2009 8:59:37 GMT -5
This is a little off topic but I need to say; It's this man's belief that charging and unloading an AR daily is unreasonably dangerous, in particular if your charging the same round/s again and again. If you have to put it in a safe while not home, and chambered while home then put it in the safe chambered. Mine stays with full mag, bolt back, and safety off. Just close the bolt and go. This gives me a ready to go status, one more round in the mag and no primers with little dimples. Also much of the time it leaves with me and the BOB in the truck for the day, I just remove the mag to be a little more legal. Back on topic, does anyone have any info on current or past interpol actions in the US? What kind of stuff and what tactics have they been known to do/use? I have worked with the AR platform for many, many years and have yet to see a round fail for chambering it too many times... although it is not something I would do, as an operator of an AR platform and a re-loader, I don't see a problem with it. As a former weapons specialist, a firearms instructor, competitive shooter and an all around good looking dude, I have never seen a weapon malfunction or "accidentally" fire without a finger on the trigger. I'm just saying, why take the risk? I've never had or seen it happen, but you hear stories. You can close the bolt as fast as you can release the safety, and you get that intimidating sound that tends to send the bad guys running without firing a shot.
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Post by avordvet on Dec 30, 2009 12:56:18 GMT -5
I have worked with the AR platform for many, many years and have yet to see a round fail for chambering it too many times... although it is not something I would do, as an operator of an AR platform and a re-loader, I don't see a problem with it. As a former weapons specialist, a firearms instructor, competitive shooter and an all around good looking dude, I have never seen a weapon malfunction or "accidentally" fire without a finger on the trigger. I'm just saying, why take the risk? I've never had or seen it happen, but you hear stories. You can close the bolt as fast as you can release the safety, and you get that intimidating sound that tends to send the bad guys running without firing a shot. Just keep in mind they are "stories", I get stuff quite often in the blogs on "open carry"... from; someone will yank your weapon out of its holster and use it on you, the bad guy will target you first, blah, blah. Some will even continue to spread this junk, even though, as I often point out, there has never been a verifiable incident of either happening. As a matter of fact it has been proven that openly armed people often stop/or prevent a crime without ever pulling a weapon. As to the open bolt thing, and this also goes to the people that don't like a "condition one" weapon, as long as someone practices with the weapons they carry, and maintains the "muscle memory" you are correct, it doesn't matter. BUT, and this goes out to everyone, MOST people do not practice enough with their weapons and especially in a CQB scenario. and as you know, in a stressful "close engagement", seconds count. You are not going to be engaging a bad guy at 25-50 feet, it will be 0-10 ft, so if you have not added "stress" shooting to your practice sessions, you should, there are numerous ways to add this to your training.
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Post by nwtimmy on Dec 30, 2009 12:58:56 GMT -5
Thats a much better idea John. So, you keep a loaded mag in the well, empty chamber, and the bolt locked back? One quick tap of the bolt release and you're ready to go....I like it. Thanks for the idea.
I would be slightly concerned about the "spring memory" in the buffer tube though. I know that was an issue back in Nam (or so I've heard). Well, I've heard stories about guys taking their springs out and stretching them before they go out on patrol. I'm sure with modern technology and materials, that isn't anything to worry about. Can I ramble on any more than I already have? </thread highjack>
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Post by avordvet on Dec 30, 2009 13:10:54 GMT -5
Thats a much better idea John. So, you keep a loaded mag in the well, empty chamber, and the bolt locked back? One quick tap of the bolt release and you're ready to go....I like it. Thanks for the idea. I would be slightly concerned about the "spring memory" in the buffer tube though. I know that was an issue back in Nam (or so I've heard). Well, I've heard stories about guys taking their springs out and stretching them before they go out on patrol. I'm sure with modern technology and materials, that isn't anything to worry about. Can I ramble on any more than I already have? </thread highjack> I'm of the same mind set with the springs, although the newer springs have better "memory", I still "short round" my magazines... old habits never die. A lot of the bubbas that have worked the M60, especially the Vietnam era, know about the machine guns bad jam rate, a lot of that was due to springs, we outfitted all of our M60s with the double wound springs and it stopped a lot of the jams.
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Post by nwtimmy on Dec 30, 2009 13:23:36 GMT -5
I sure could go for an M60 right now....hell, I'd take a 240! If anyone has one lying around that they just don't want, feel free to send it to me and I'll dispose of it properly
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Post by brocktownsend on Dec 30, 2009 13:29:02 GMT -5
This is a little off topic but I need to say; It's this man's belief that charging and unloading an AR daily is unreasonably dangerous, in particular if your charging the same round/s again and again. If you have to put it in a safe while not home, and chambered while home then put it in the safe chambered. Mine stays with full mag, bolt back, and safety off. Just close the bolt and go. This gives me a ready to go status, one more round in the mag and no primers with little dimples. Also much of the time it leaves with me and the BOB in the truck for the day, I just remove the mag to be a little more legal. Back on topic, does anyone have any info on current or past interpol actions in the US? What kind of stuff and what tactics have they been known to do/use? I have worked with the AR platform for many, many years and have yet to see a round fail for chambering it too many times... although it is not something I would do, as an operator of an AR platform and a re-loader, I don't see a problem with it. As a former weapons specialist, a firearms instructor, competitive shooter and an all around good looking dude, I have never seen a weapon malfunction or "accidentally" fire without a finger on the trigger. It happened to me once, but wasn't the gun's fault. The FSEE And My 45. Caliber Derringer www.namsouth.com/viewtopic.php?t=30&highlight=derringer(Which I did with a .45 caliber derringer in my hip pocket on a commercial airliner. How things have changed!) I always kept my derringer in my right rear pocket, and one day as I was riding my motorcycle in the rain a Vietnamese Lambretta pulled out in front of me, which caused me to spill. I was fairly close to an American hospital, so I went there and they bandaged my arms up. The next day, I was doing the same thing, again in the rain, when a Korean jeep pulled the same stunt. When I went down, I heard an explosion and thought my motor had blown up. I was near the same hospital that I had gone to the day before, so I returned, and they took off my old bandages and put on new ones. I guess that at least I was consistent when I fell! I vowed then that I would buy a car, which I did later on. At any rate, when I got home, and as I was taking my pants off, I noticed a tear running from the bottom of my right rear pants pocket to an area just above my right knee. As soon as I saw this, I had a sinking feeling, and sure enough when I broke the derringer open, one round had been fired. Needless to say, I was very lucky as if it had hit my knee, I imagine that I would have been crippled. The next morning, I nervously read the newspapers in fear that I would see where a child had been killed by a stray bullet, but fortunately that was not the case.
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Post by avordvet on Dec 30, 2009 13:32:02 GMT -5
I sure could go for an M60 right now....hell, I'd take a 240! AOV wipes away a tear and bows his head in remembrance of the mighty M60 being fed from a 750 round ammo can re-shredding a blown up, shot out, burned up hulk of what use to be a vehicle that has been dead and/or killed many, many times over...
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Post by JohnG/Leo on Dec 30, 2009 18:05:08 GMT -5
Thats a much better idea John. So, you keep a loaded mag in the well, empty chamber, and the bolt locked back? One quick tap of the bolt release and you're ready to go....I like it. Thanks for the idea. I would be slightly concerned about the "spring memory" in the buffer tube though. I know that was an issue back in Nam (or so I've heard). Well, I've heard stories about guys taking their springs out and stretching them before they go out on patrol. I'm sure with modern technology and materials, that isn't anything to worry about. Can I ramble on any more than I already have? </thread highjack> Glad you like it Tim. As for the spring, cycling wears out the spring, much more then sitting compressed. Springs wearing out is just a fact of life with firearms, and there is little we can do slow it down in a weapon that is used. OK all this other stuff; avordvet, yes people get killed when bad guys take there gun, happens to cops alot. Happened to me once, I didn't get shot but it was close. Open carry causes many more problems then it solves, concealed is the best tactic. All this mention of "carry" "holsters" "condition one" "CQB" "0-10 feet" etc. We're talking about a rifle here and specifically an AR, not a handgun. Your handgun is your defensive weapon, not your rifle. My 1911 stays on my hip in condition one, not my rifle.
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Post by brocktownsend on Dec 30, 2009 18:49:12 GMT -5
At some point it may become necessary to have a daily check-in call with an hour grace period, or some such mechanism, afterwhich time, if some one is missing then a more intense effort is made to locate the person. For now, maybe we can all agree to try and notice if a regular daily poster doesn't show up one day, and then inquire as to why.
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Post by trap115 on Dec 30, 2009 18:56:54 GMT -5
Agreed.!
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Post by brocktownsend on Dec 30, 2009 19:18:02 GMT -5
Forgot. If someone has been "taken," we should also post on Oathkeepers, and state militia sites. The more the merrier. ResistNet also. Any others?
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Post by trap115 on Dec 30, 2009 20:51:21 GMT -5
cant think of any other? hope someone notices when it happens
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Post by 2ncrca on Dec 30, 2009 20:51:49 GMT -5
At some point it may become necessary to have a daily check-in call with an hour grace period, or some such mechanism, afterwhich time, if some one is missing then a more intense effort is made to locate the person. For now, maybe we can all agree to try and notice if a regular daily poster doesn't show up one day, and then inquire as to why. Good idea. Everyone who posts on a daily basis should be informed of this procedure. It may help to have some one in possession of phone numbers as well in the event that some one's computer fails, internet goes down, or the person forgets to post on a given day.
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Post by brocktownsend on Dec 30, 2009 21:02:34 GMT -5
For now, maybe we can all agree to try and notice if a regular daily poster doesn't show up one day, and then inquire as to why. Good idea. Everyone who posts on a daily basis should be informed of this procedure. It may help to have some one in possession of phone numbers as well in the event that some one's computer fails, internet goes down, or the person forgets to post on a given day. So, from POC up, I guess.
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Post by 2ncrca on Dec 30, 2009 21:13:35 GMT -5
There should be a massive demand from BO to explain this POS executive order and a greater outcry to repeal it or else.
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Post by fergus on Dec 30, 2009 22:46:08 GMT -5
There should be a massive demand from BO to explain this POS executive order and a greater outcry to repeal it or else. How can we get a movement like this started. We need to find a group to get behind that can accomplish the goal of putting pressure on congress, Moabama and Washington in general. Any ideas? I think this should be a focus, finding a way to get our concerns to washington.
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Post by 2ncrca on Dec 30, 2009 23:18:09 GMT -5
We could contact Jim DeMint, Limbaugh, Beck, or bring it to the attention of TEA Party organizers. Key to this is to begin yelling loud enough and long enough until some one hears us. If it hasn't yet gained strength we could use it as one of the main slogans for the April Rally.
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Post by brocktownsend on Dec 30, 2009 23:23:25 GMT -5
We could contact Jim DeMint, Limbaugh, Beck, or bring it to the attention of TEA Party organizers. Key to this is to begin yelling loud enough and long enough until some one hears us. If it hasn't yet gained strength we could use it as one of the main slogans for the April Rally. Yes, chant continuously TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! Drive it into their thick skulls until they wake at night with it pounding in their brains.
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Post by JohnG/Leo on Dec 30, 2009 23:27:10 GMT -5
We could contact Jim DeMint, Limbaugh, Beck, or bring it to the attention of TEA Party organizers. Key to this is to begin yelling loud enough and long enough until some one hears us. If it hasn't yet gained strength we could use it as one of the main slogans for the April Rally. I sent it off to Glenn Beck, and more important Judge Napolitano.
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Post by 2ncrca on Dec 30, 2009 23:31:43 GMT -5
We should drive this issue into the ground and continue to pound it into the heads of people like DeMint and radio and tv personalities until it becomes a deafening roar. The usurper in DC should be so inundated by the anger and fearful of the consequences for selling out our nation's sovereignty that he $#^^s a brick.
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Post by lumpy39us on Dec 31, 2009 5:29:40 GMT -5
This is America and we are Americans! There should BE NO OUTSIDE or FOREIGN entities ALLOWED to Operate on our NATIONS SOIL UNHEEDED. ALL FOREIGN ENTITIES SHOULD AND WILL BE REQUIRED WHILE OPERATING ON AMERICAN NATIONS SOIL TO FULLY DISCLOSE ANY REQUESTED INFORMATION. How is it that the "AMERICAN" President can just authorize foreign entities to operate here freely and without ramifications! And even more so just give any foreign entity information regarding persons, property, and infrastructure.
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Post by jerome on Dec 31, 2009 5:59:37 GMT -5
It's pretty simple now that I've had time to think about it. Interpol is the police arm of the world court. Look at the KSM show trial we've got coming up. The court is going to demand that the people who "questioned' the terrorists show up in court to testify. Interpol can now do whatever they please with no regards to US law. On one day during this "trial" people who the left want tried for war crimes will become known to the public, on the next day interpol could pick them up because they are to be indicted for war crimes.
The only other options concern people like us, as in using interpol to do Zero's dirty work w/o any regards to the laws in our nation. Either way you look at it this is an act of treason and considering that it is being commited during a time of war what's the required punishment???
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Post by brocktownsend on Dec 31, 2009 11:44:48 GMT -5
It's pretty simple now that I've had time to think about it. Interpol is the police arm of the world court. Look at the KSM show trial we've got coming up. The court is going to demand that the people who "questioned' the terrorists show up in court to testify. Interpol can now do whatever they please with no regards to US law. On one day during this "trial" people who the left want tried for war crimes will become known to the public, on the next day interpol could pick them up because they are to be indicted for war crimes. The only other options concern people like us, as in using interpol to do Zero's dirty work w/o any regards to the laws in our nation. Either way you look at it this is an act of treason and considering that it is being commited during a time of war what's the required punishment??? Ain't but one.
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Post by 2ncrca on Dec 31, 2009 14:44:54 GMT -5
There are a few things that can be done to bring attention to this matter 1) protest in front of INTERPOL offices, 2) publish agents' names and pass out list and 3) publish and distribute agents' photos. Of course, there is always a chance that in doing this we would be arrested never to be seen again.
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Post by themachine on Jan 3, 2010 19:14:04 GMT -5
If we look at allowing INTERPOL to operate in our country from the perspective that most are coming from, the reasoning for the move can never be fully understood. To understand the real agenda behind it, one must understand the forms of law that govern commerce. The universal law that governs and takes precedence over any other--aside from natural law--is commercial law. The United States of America is a corporation, regulated in commerce by the edicts of commercial law. The "jig is up" for the gangsters (Bush and Clinton families; all who supported and/or participated with these fraudsters' agenda) who have been screwing our nation and it's people through international fraud. Since the USA, and all associated offices, branches, sub-divisions, and officers are fictitious corporate entities, no branch of law enforcement within our country can legally apprehend and bring to justice these perpetrators in commercial law affairs. This is the reason INTERPOL was brought into the picture...they can arrest and bring these criminals to trial. Those in the "Patriot" movement should be thankful for this move; not look at it as a personal assault on the American people. Here is a good summation of the recent turn of events: "Promulgation of this Executive Order triggered the predictable knee-jerk responses from those who have not understood what is going on, and who have failed to take on board that the Lien Holders and their servants take precedence over the highest office-holders in the United States, including the President, all of whom, with their predecessors, have been, and remain engaged in criminal conduct which the World Court has condemned. The perception that this represents a setback for the United States is nonsense in the prevailing circumstances – which entail the greatest crisis that the Republic has ever faced, despite it being successfully hidden from the people with the assistance of the co-conspiring so-called ‘mainstream’ press."Complete article can be read here: www.worldreports.org/news/255_official_money_saboteurs__economic_terroristsOur wishes might very well come true with the help of INTERPOL and commercial law. Many of these "traitors" could be publicly executed for treason.
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Post by lumpy39us on Jan 4, 2010 5:18:13 GMT -5
So your saying The Gov didn't think this through fully and now they have just Given themselves the potential for criminal prosecution... I'm sure this is very well thought out, TPTB are NOT going to halt their progress, only ours!
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Post by NCFREEDOM on Jan 4, 2010 14:18:04 GMT -5
2nrca wrote:
"There are a few things that can be done to bring attention to this matter 1) protest in front of INTERPOL offices, 2) publish agents' names and pass out list and 3) publish and distribute agents' photos. Of course, there is always a chance that in doing this we would be arrested never to be seen again. "
Sounds like a great project for the unorganized militias from around the country to undertake.
4) Where can the location of interpol offices be obtained and published? 5) How can we locate and identify the names of interpol agents? 6) How can we obtain other tidbits of information to begin publishing this information?
Whats to keep us from monitoring these invaders by watching there activities and reporting it here?
If WE don't start actively tracking, identifying and publishing information regarding foreign enemies while it is legal then how will we when it no longer is?
Brock, ONSM project? Hmmm...
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Post by NCFREEDOM on Jan 4, 2010 14:26:48 GMT -5
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Post by brocktownsend on Jan 4, 2010 14:31:57 GMT -5
Brock, ONSM project? Hmmm...
Yes, but need info. They have 0 business being here.
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