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Post by avordvet on Mar 14, 2013 5:43:56 GMT -5
Just as they sold us out on the Gun Control Acts and the 94 AWB, the NRA is picking sides again... and it ain't with us. Sources: NRA won't oppose background check deal - if Democrats cede tough records fightBy Kasie Hunt, Political Reporter, NBC News Senators negotiating a bill mandating background checks for all gun buyers are privately expecting the National Rifle Association not to fight the measure -- provided the legislation does not require private gun sellers to maintain records of the checks, NBC News has learned. If that requirement is met and key Republican negotiator Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma signs on, the powerful gun lobby has signaled to lawmakers that they would not actively oppose the bill -- and not count votes in favor of it as part of its highly influential NRA lawmaker ratings -- according to Senate aides familiar with the stalled negotiations. Such a deal could clear the way for a universal background check bill, a central tenet of President Barack Obama's gun control initiative, to pass the Senate with significant Republican support. Odds of passage in the House would brighten significantly as a result. firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/12/17286635-sources-nra-wont-oppose-background-check-deal-if-democrats-cede-tough-records-fight?lite
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Post by safetalker on Mar 14, 2013 8:53:52 GMT -5
Perhaps Obama and Reid send more money with their NRA Renewal than we do. I love the Rifleman Magazine, but canceled my membership so they can do this in my nmae! What about you???
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Post by Badger Actual on Mar 14, 2013 9:11:36 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2013 11:08:22 GMT -5
I read this morning that the NRA is denying that report on NBC...and NBC IS in the business of propaganda.
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Post by Badger Actual on Mar 14, 2013 12:38:19 GMT -5
I don't trust the NRA. Didn't they back the 1968 gun control act.
The fact is we are living in an empire in decline. We should continue to prepare and stand our ground.
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Post by avordvet on Mar 14, 2013 14:36:06 GMT -5
Didn't they back the 1968 gun control act. Then took a seat while the FOPA in '86 passed, then stepped aside in '94 while the AWB was instituted, then helped push the '07 "Veterans Disarmament Act" (H.R. 2640 and S. 2084) as a good gun owners "compromise". Did NRA silence help win passage of plastic gun ban?by Peter Olsen-Phillips, Dec. 11, 2013, 9:30 a.m. The NRA was notably quiet during the debate over the legislation in the House, issuing a statement only after the bill passed. And that statement was carefully worded: "The NRA strongly opposes ANY expansion of the Undetectable Firearms Act," it wrote. "By simply reauthorizing current law, however, [the bill] does not expand the UFA in any way." sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2013/12/11/3-d-printers-put-on-the-back-burner-by-gun-control-groups/
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Post by Steven Peter Yevchak, Sr. on Mar 16, 2013 21:36:04 GMT -5
Got this in an email from JPFO:
"Statement from Chris W. Cox, NRA-ILA Executive Director, regarding inaccurate NBC story alleging that NRA won't oppose background check bill. Received as email alert 3/13/13 (Do NOT trust all you read in the media.)
An article appearing today on NBCNews.com is falsely reporting that NRA will not oppose legislation being negotiated in the U.S. Senate that would mandate background checks for all gun purchasers.
The story posted on NBCNews.com alleged that NRA will not oppose expanding the background check system to include all private firearm sales, "provided the legislation does not require private gun sellers to maintain records of the checks". This statement is completely untrue. The NRA opposes criminalizing private firearms transfers between law-abiding individuals, and therefore opposes an expansion of the background check system.
The NRA supports meaningful efforts to address the problems of violent crime and mass violence in America, through swift and certain prosecution of violent criminals; securing our schools; and fixing our broken mental health system."
I can't find a direct link to the statement itself.
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Post by brocktownsend on Mar 16, 2013 22:39:07 GMT -5
JPFO
If it came from them, I would feel pretty good about it. This came out two days ago, but only from "sources."
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Post by avordvet on Mar 17, 2013 4:54:03 GMT -5
That is the problem when you have been untruthful in the past, no one can tell if you are now truthful.
Even if these allegation are incorrect, does it really matter in the big picture? We all know they play political games with our rights, most likely to keep the funding going... Cause as 'ole Rahm says; Can't let a good crisis go to waste.
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Post by safetalker on Mar 17, 2013 7:51:35 GMT -5
JPFO If it came from them, I would feel pretty good about it. This came out two days ago, but only from "sources." I believe the term is: FEELERS!They collect the money from donors and if they back, and fail, they lose members and money. If they back, and win, their cup runeth over! Which way should they go?
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Post by hefferman1 on Mar 17, 2013 15:31:42 GMT -5
I will never give the NRA 1 single dime of my money.
If they give on any issues, they become a part of the group who moved against the second amendment.
That means a long drop and a short rope.
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Post by brocktownsend on Mar 17, 2013 15:51:44 GMT -5
FEELERS! Get your hands away from me, pervert........
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Post by hefferman1 on Mar 17, 2013 20:01:06 GMT -5
FEELERS! Get your hands away from me, pervert........ That is funny. I have never laughed so much while making a 13 turn knot.
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Post by brocktownsend on Mar 17, 2013 20:47:02 GMT -5
13 turn knot.
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Post by stoner44magnum on Mar 18, 2013 3:21:09 GMT -5
Sources: NRA won't oppose background check deal - if Democrats cede tough records fight
What did anyone seriously expect? The nra has had a record of capitulating with the criminals in dc for years.
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Post by avordvet on Mar 25, 2013 4:58:29 GMT -5
NRA... Politicians... Secret talks... Why am I not surprised? Pro-Gun Democrat Manchin, NRA, Hold Secret TalksSunday, 24 Mar 2013 02:36 PM, By Sandy Fitzgerald W. Va. Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin has been speaking privately with the National Rifle Association over expanding firearms background checks -- a move that could help defeat an expected GOP filibuster of the overall gun control bill. www.newsmax.com/Politics/Pro-Gun-Manchin-NRA-Secret/2013/03/24/id/496077
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Post by tonto on Mar 25, 2013 5:44:52 GMT -5
All those "instant checks" we have to undergo etc....think those records have been destroyed in the time they were supposed to? This call for records checks etc is mental masturbation....the government just needs the serial number and can trace almost any weapon they come across...all they way back to the maker or importer. What they want to do now is find out where all the private sales went. Remember, as people pass away, their guns go to family or are sold off....this socialist government especially wants to know where that threat went and who has what. People like me buy guns, play with them and sell them when bored with that one....and many times to private persons, no shops. The NRA stance may be because they realize that every gun in America is on paper somewhere and that info can be accessed already. Why they would want to help make that database more accurate and up-to-date is beyond me.
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Post by safetalker on Mar 25, 2013 8:30:19 GMT -5
There are only two sides of any issue! Side one is the Government. Whether they be International, National, State, County, Town/City, or just neighborhood is unimportant. Side two are the Bone and blood human beings of this world.This division is all their is. The rest of the smaller groups in each are just so we can claim our personal piece of each and soothe our egos by belonging to one or the other and thus not realize we are just slaves.
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Post by Steven Peter Yevchak, Sr. on Apr 6, 2013 14:41:49 GMT -5
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Post by avordvet on Apr 7, 2013 4:02:22 GMT -5
The NRA has a bad habit of testing the political (and funding) winds before stepping into any fray, and as most here have noticed, they always seem the join the party after the event is fully underway.
Until they nut up and STAY in the fight on the right side, they deserve the scorn that is heaped upon them. Their wishy-washy 2A fighting stance is well documented on this forum and others.
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Post by Cujo on Apr 7, 2013 14:00:58 GMT -5
The NRA has a bad habit of testing the political (and funding) winds before stepping into any fray, and as most here have noticed, they always seem the join the party after the event is fully underway. Until they nut up and STAY in the fight on the right side, they deserve the scorn that is heaped upon them. Their wishy-washy 2A fighting stance is well documented on this forum and others. Well said!!!
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Post by avordvet on Jan 31, 2014 5:56:23 GMT -5
NRA failing members by ignoring immigration threat to gun rightsDavid CodreaGun Rights Examiner, January 29, 2014 The thing is, Rubin has been pretty good in understanding and articulating the gun issue. That’s why seeing her totally ignore the impact so called “immigration reform” will have on gun laws raises flags as to how much of her commitment is purely academic, with no real world resolve attached to them. Because the potential for disaster at the polls over the coming years is real. “Immigration reform will add over 8,000,000 anti-gun voters to the voting rolls,” Gun Owners of America warned its members and supporters in a January 24 alert. “There may be as many as 11.5 million persons illegally in the United States. And, a Pew poll from last year indicated that if illegal immigrants were given citizenship, they would vote for liberal, anti-gun candidates by an 8-to-1 margin. www.examiner.com/article/nra-failing-members-by-ignoring-immigration-threat-to-gun-rights
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Post by watchful on Jan 31, 2014 8:26:12 GMT -5
Truth is a always relevant to your opinion.
Do any of you actually know any Mexicans?
Those I know are as conservative as you and I. Those with papers and an anchor baby own as many guns as I do.
If that is the plan they are stepping in it big time!
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Post by avordvet on Jan 31, 2014 9:23:57 GMT -5
Do any of you actually know any Mexicans? As I mentioned in another thread these aren't your 'mom and pop' Mexican's, supporters of the 'open borders' movement constantly muddy the waters with this strawman argument. These are the current Mexican Aliens... and yeah they probably like guns too.
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Post by avordvet on Feb 6, 2014 5:30:22 GMT -5
Anytime there has been 'major' restrictive legislation (1932, 1938, 1968, 1986, 1994, 2007, 2008, 2011) the NRA either sits it out or jumps on the gun control side 'to help our members'... Prag City, USA. A trip down memory lane for the Lairds of Fairfax. NRA endorses White House executive action to ban firearms. Thursday, February 6, 2014 As I mentioned the other day, I lucked into some back issues of American Rifleman at the thrift store. Regarding the NRA's positions on gun control from the period of the run-up to the adoption of the GCA 1968, I found this in the March 1968 issue: sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2014/02/prag-city-usa-trip-down-memory-lane-for.html
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Post by avordvet on Feb 6, 2014 5:32:54 GMT -5
The Suprising Unknown History of the NRAFor most of its history, the NRA supported gun control laws and did not see government as the enemy.AlterNet, By Steven Rosenfeld, January 13, 2013 | For nearly a century after, its founding in 1871, the National Rifle Association was among America’s foremost pro-gun control organizations. It was not until 1977 when the NRA that Americans know today emerged, after libertarians who equated owning a gun with the epitome of freedom and fomented widespread distrust against government—if not armed insurrection—emerged after staging a hostile leadership coup. In the years since, an NRA that once encouraged better markmanship and reasonable gun control laws gave way to an advocacy organization and political force that saw more guns as the answer to society’s worst violence, whether arming commercial airline pilots after 9/11 or teachers after the Newtown, while opposing new restrictions on gun usage. It is hard to believe that the NRA was committed to gun-control laws for most of the 20th century—helping to write most of the federal laws restricting gun use until the 1980s. www.alternet.org/suprising-unknown-history-nra
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Post by avordvet on Feb 6, 2014 13:28:56 GMT -5
Man, we must have the knowledgeable crowd hanging around here... I fully expected someone (at least one person) to jump up and attempt to defend the NRA's behavior. But looks like everyone here is fully aware of their anti-2A behavior.
There is a new story out; where the NY chapter of the NRA has doubled their membership because of the 'safe act', too bad they didn't get the word and join a group that's really in the fight... GOA, NSSF, SAF and a number of others that are carrying the load of defending the 2A with a smidgen of the funds the NRA takes in.
I gave the NRA the benefit of a doubt in 2009 and rejoined after 10 or so years of giving them the finger, my membership ran out late last year, and I will never join them again.
During the early years of the obamanation I expected them to see the danger and get in the fight, but you have seen the stories and articles posted here that show the exact opposite, they are still willing to surrender our rights in order for them to remain relevant.
We as members tried to get the board of directors and LaPierre replaced, but just like any other 'political' network, they have their 'did my time in the trenches' list and they refuse vary from it. Still to this day they refuse to fully engage with the enemies of the Constitution, instead they are still in 'compromise' mode.
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Post by boothdoc on Feb 10, 2014 19:40:58 GMT -5
SAF gets my money
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Post by avordvet on Feb 11, 2014 5:18:02 GMT -5
SAF is a go getter, GOA and SAF are my dogs in the fight. NSSF is good, but has gone a little wobbly as of late.
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Post by avordvet on Mar 1, 2014 5:56:46 GMT -5
Expect a NRA 'We're In This Fight For You' donation letter in the mailbox shortly... NRA opposition to Surgeon General nominee lacks credible deterrentDavid Codrea, Gun Rights Examiner, February 28, 2014 The National Rifle Association published a statement Thursday announcing a letter addressed to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell in which the powerful gun rights group declared it “strongly opposes the confirmation of Vivek Hallegere Murthy, M.D., M.B.A., as United States Surgeon General.” www.examiner.com/article/nra-opposition-to-surgeon-general-nominee-lacks-credible-deterrent
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