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Post by Michael Downing on Jun 30, 2012 9:03:06 GMT -5
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banners openly against the city. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist." Marcus Cicero, speaking to Caesar, Crassus, Pompey and the Roman Senate We Americans are now engaged in a New Civil war, testing whether this nation, conceived and dedicated as we are, will endure. Take a moment to let this fact register in your mind. The forces against us will not allow Americans to SEE the dead bodies of their victims This is not a metaphor or a figure of speech--we are currently in a civil war against domestic political and economic forces that are killing us and destroying our nation. The actuality that a great many Americans are unaware of this new civil war does not change the fact: un-American, power-mad forces are sending thousands of Americans to their death and devastating our nation politically and economically as we speak. The first thing we must help thinking people see is that revealing this new civil war, making it clear to Americans that their political and economic leaders are destroying them, is the height of patriotism. We're fighting for the very life of our country--and our own lives--against depraved people who falsely identify themselves as the defenders and leaders of our nation. www.hermes-press.com/new_civil_war.htmwww.hermes-press.com/cabal_index.htm
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Post by Michael Downing on Jun 30, 2012 11:49:36 GMT -5
Another interesting viewpoint is found in Civil War II. www.resist.com/CWII.pdfThe second is well worth reviewing but like the first I do not post it because I hold to the viewpoints espoused within but I do find each interesting. The author of civil War II is a military analyst and former mercenary with a tendency towards racial separatism as his work demonstrates in how he believes the US will break apart during the coming conflict. The author of the first seems to have a more eclectic background as an academic and who also was Chair on Artificial Intelligence for the Army War College. He seems to be somewhat of a populist socialist of sorts.
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Post by vegasgeorge on Jun 30, 2012 15:15:21 GMT -5
It looks like we are either going to have another civil war, or else a population that passively allows itself to fall into totalitarian slavery. The one key element that's missing is leadership. I keep wondering, who's ox is going to have to get gored before a strong capable leader appears?
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Post by brocktownsend on Jun 30, 2012 17:05:43 GMT -5
It looks like we are either going to have another civil war, or else a population that passively allows itself to fall into totalitarian slavery. The one key element that's missing is leadership. I keep wondering, who's ox is going to have to get gored before a strong capable leader appears? Think they will be local ones.
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Post by Cujo on Jun 30, 2012 20:12:02 GMT -5
It looks like we are either going to have another civil war, or else a population that passively allows itself to fall into totalitarian slavery. The one key element that's missing is leadership. I keep wondering, who's ox is going to have to get gored before a strong capable leader appears? When you have individuals believing in Freedom The Constitution & Declaration of Independence you don't need leaders. Each & every person must be able to stand up in the case of an emergency. Then leadership will appear.
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Post by Michael Downing on Jun 30, 2012 20:40:34 GMT -5
Agreed out of the fire those whose metal is best tempered to lead will appear. They will not seek leadership and in fact may reject it multiple times before reluctantly standing up to lead. I do not trust those that seek out leadership for most often they have ulterior motives for doing so. Those who seek power lust for power. Be patient and be willing to stand when the time comes to stand knowing you are not alone. Many you thought you could trust may fail you but complete strangers will appear to stand with you. When the times seem most dark a spark will become a flame and light the way...
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Post by fcb98292 on Jul 1, 2012 16:06:39 GMT -5
We Americans are now engaged in a New Civil war, testing whether this nation, conceived and dedicated as we are, will endure. The nation is on a collision course with repeated history and, given that people have not improved their vigilance against such interior treason and have not forsaken the control of the masses via media, we WILL repeat history. The question that remains is not will you stand up and be counted when the time comes. The last question is what you have already done and are now doing to stand against the takeover in progress.
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Post by avordvet on Jul 1, 2012 16:57:20 GMT -5
The question that remains is not will you stand up and be counted when the time comes. The last question is what you have already done and are now doing to stand against the takeover in progress. Couldn't have said it better...
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Post by busboy on Jul 2, 2012 9:11:55 GMT -5
There is a flaw in the "Civil War" logic.
Already, as we discuss this issue, there are whole states engaged in combatting and turning back the abuses of the federal government. These states (depending on the issue) are numbered at 50, so each and every state is engaged in this battle (just a different front).
As the federal abuses continue, the efforts by the people of the various states intensifies. The federal government can not survive (at least in its current form) without the direct cooperation and consent of the people of the various states.
Any notion that there will be federal troops in the streets in some sort of military police action, is really a gross exaggeration of what is possible. Nearly any two or three midwest states can man up an army which is larger the the whole of the US military and ALL the US law enforcement. One would have to assume that 100% of the military and LEOs will follow orders, but we KNOW this is not the case.
So the ONLY option the oppressors have to take this country over is through political means, and those means are proving to be very inadequate for their desires.
We will see hard times, there will be trouble. There will be violence, death, starvation, and many other things folks have envisioned on this thread and links, but not to the extent or manner expressed. The resourcefulness of the people of this country, and the natural resources available to the various states, will allow for the people to erect commerce, security and freedom without the federal government.....however, it is important to point out that the federal government can not exist without the people or the states.
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Post by Michael Downing on Jul 2, 2012 10:22:41 GMT -5
however, it is important to point out that the federal government can not exist without the people or the states.
And it would seem that on most fronts the federal government cannot coexist with the people or the states. I still believe that the division between the people of this country is too great to bridge at least in the short term. Far too many are firm believers in the nanny state and look to government for every answer. This is hardly the rue purpose of state government let alone the general federal government. Time will tell where this leads but as you say hard times, very hard times are ahead....
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Post by busboy on Jul 2, 2012 11:10:23 GMT -5
And it would seem that on most fronts the federal government cannot coexist with the people or the states. . This I agree with, but only in that the federal government has morphed into what it is not authorized (or intended) to be. The "give" will be by the federal government, for the will of the people and states. Your comment about there being too many on the federal teat, invested in the nanny state is well taken, however.... It does not take "most" people in this country, as a whole, to stop the abuses of the federal government. Again, states governments, and even individual Sheriffs are stepping up and placing themselves between the federal government and the people. They are doing this only because there is enough support from the "people back home" to give the political strength. Even if liberal states like CA, IL, NY desire welfare states, freedom loving states will not participate. You are seeing more and more cities declaring bankruptcy, and this will curtail their ability to provide "welfare". This same process will take place on the state level. Along with this, we are seeing the states take on a responsible fiscal role. As more do this, they will lose the appetite to support those states who refuse to, via the federal government's confiscation of taxes for these federally unConstitutional purposes. The hard times I envision are less contrived via some level of abuse or struggle with the federal government, but more of a consequence of our society running such a large debt. Our financial system is very shaky, prone to a collapse, and our fiat money system is fraught with problems. I can easily see us going into a depression. However, this depression is partially caused by the draconian regulations of the federal government. The states who toss off these shackles will turn around quickly, much like North Dakota has prospered in these times, while other states (like Kentucky's coal and coal fired power plants) have needlessly suffered. Fortunately, as states become more protective of freedoms, they will prosper, and grow in population. This in turn, will give them more political clout.
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Post by avordvet on Jul 2, 2012 11:50:03 GMT -5
The question that remains is not will you stand up and be counted when the time comes. The last question is what you have already done and are now doing to stand against the takeover in progress. and therein lies IS the problem.
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Post by vegasgeorge on Mar 11, 2013 11:35:24 GMT -5
The question that remains is not will you stand up and be counted when the time comes. The last question is what you have already done and are now doing to stand against the takeover in progress. OK, I get that. But I have posted dozens of warnings and condemnations concerning the communist takeover in progress in our country. I have written and called my elected representatives repeatedly. I have contributed thousands of dollars to conservative campaigns and causes. I preach impending disaster to anyone willing to listen. And yet I see no positive effect from my efforts. It seems that the great masses either don't care or don't believe. What's left to do?
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Post by Michael Downing on Mar 11, 2013 11:46:50 GMT -5
The question that remains is not will you stand up and be counted when the time comes. The last question is what you have already done and are now doing to stand against the takeover in progress. OK, I get that. But I have posted dozens of warnings and condemnations concerning the communist takeover in progress in our country. I have written and called my elected representatives repeatedly. I have contributed thousands of dollars to conservative campaigns and causes. I preach impending disaster to anyone willing to listen. And yet I see no positive effect from my efforts. It seems that the great masses either don't care or don't believe. What's left to do? Noah preached to the masses right up until the rain began to fall and then the door to the ark was closed. There will always be those who do not listen but until the day the rain comes down we have no choice but to keep on preaching. If 10 out of 1000 listen and begin to prepare then there hopefully will be 10 more to help with the restoration that must come. Continue to prepare for the worst and pray we see a day when Liberty is reclaimed...
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Post by safetalker on Mar 11, 2013 12:07:29 GMT -5
Perhaps one of the problems is that the man on the street has no conception of your terms and meanings. Man has in most cases just one requirement from life. He simply wants to be left alone! He wants them to leave hi alone. He ants us to leave him alone! He wants to live what he has been sold as the American way of life. He considers the taxes and obedience as payment for that "Being left alone". He is satisfied with the payment of his money and his rights (or privileges as he has been taught they really are). He considers bot us and the "Wacko's on the Boob tube as violating that agreement. We have to realize this and make our preparations for our small groups and families as if he was not there. If we push him we will just make him more resolved to be undisturbed, and make our own preparation slower. I tell them once and if they don't get excited or active I remember that all humans have the right to self-determination. He has the right to be killed if that is his fate. The time is too short for trying to move lumps unless they are in the way of others.
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