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Post by avordvet on Feb 17, 2015 14:54:10 GMT -5
Burst out to network. Yet another lawless edict, they only back down in the face of solid resistance, lets give it to them. Fight back like your freedom depends on it... You've seen the stories, small 2A battles all around the country, a little nip here and a little nip there, and they arrive at their goal. Just gotta hold what we got and move the skirmish lines forward. We've been making some good headway at removing 'infringements' at the state level, lets keep the momentum rolling. Modern Rifleman’s Comments on ATF Framework Proposal (M855 Ban)Posted by modernrifleman, February 16, 2015 Regrettably, the ATF has taken it upon themselves to issue a regulatory ban on yet another popular type of ammunition. This time, the agency has targeted the popular 62 grain M855 round used by many shooters as a versatile and reliable target ammunition in service-grade 5.56/.223 rifles. This marks the fourth time in the last two years that the ATF has attempted to abuse its regulatory capacity to attack peaceable and law-abiding shooters and collectors (ATF 41P, 7N6 reclassification, SIG brace flip-flop, documentation changes for 01 and 03 FFLs). The proposal is linked below and I have included contact information for the ATF. My official comment is also posted below. I encourage everyone to write coherent, vulgarity-free, comments to submit for ATF consideration before the March 16 deadline. Please also take time to contact your legislators to inform them of this overstep. modernrifleman.net/2015/02/16/modern-riflemans-comments-on-atf-framework-proposal-m855-ban/
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Post by boothdoc on Feb 17, 2015 18:18:19 GMT -5
I contacted congress and everyone I know. Spread the word on this act.
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Post by Michael Downing on Feb 17, 2015 18:48:43 GMT -5
This is just another unconstitutional over reach through regulation be it a tit for tat reaction or not. I contacted my so called representatives for all the good it will do. The second amendment is about being able to protect oneself and one's family and property and for protection from tyranny. It has nothing to do with sporting purposes. www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/02/daniel-zimmerman/atfs-m855-ban-retaliation-ar-pistol-braces/Is the ATF’s M855 Ban Retaliation for AR Pistol Braces? Was the SIG Brace worth losing M855/SS109 ammunition to the civilian market? Some might immediately jump and say that I am turning my back on the gun community but I implore you to continue reading. As a strong advocate of the 2nd Amendment and our right to keep and bear arms, I think this is a discussion worth having . . . SIG made a calculated legal and business decision to acquire the rights to what we now know as the SIG Brace and essentially poked the ATF in the eye with its release and legal justification. As consumers, we ate up the brace and the mockery it made of the ATF and the Gun Control Act if fired from a position other than its “primary intended purpose”. The M855 reclassification feels arbitrary and capricious, but the enemy always gets a vote. The proliferation of these devices and relative ease with which one could bypass a $200 tax stamp and registration has poked the bear. The BATFE is playing its own technicality game with this reclassification, most likely out of spite.
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Post by avordvet on Feb 17, 2015 19:44:34 GMT -5
Heard that!
From the first moment I saw the Sig Brace at a gun shop, I knew something was amiss; in that the ATF would not knowingly over look a 'device' such as this. I looked at the salesman and asked how this could be legal, he just shrugged and said the ATF approved it.
Damn near bought one, but something just didn't seem right as it would defeat key elements of the NFA, which the leftists would never allow to be watered down.
Yet another trojan horse, yet another tentacle of tyranny to battle.
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Post by Michael Downing on Feb 17, 2015 19:59:41 GMT -5
I had an AR "pistol" on order from a NC company that does excellent work and it was ordered with the Sig Brace both in flat dark earth before the ATF issued their revised ruling on the use of the brace. Damn fine gun but I never intend to put it to my shoulder and promise to use it only in it's original intended manner as a brace. Likewise I never intend to fire any of my M855 rounds through it. Promise...
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Post by avordvet on Feb 17, 2015 20:16:41 GMT -5
M855 and SS109 bullets, a deliberate message to the shooting communityAmMerc, 16 February 2015 So there you have it, the ballot box and jury box will more than likely be necessary to keep a full bullet box in the future. I find it interesting that the law allows the AG to exempt a bullet from the armor piercing definition, but it doesn't not give the AG the ability to identify a bullet as armor piercing. randomthoughtsandguns.blogspot.com/2015/02/m855-and-ss109-bullets-deliberate.html
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Post by avordvet on Feb 19, 2015 4:33:38 GMT -5
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Post by Michael Downing on Feb 19, 2015 7:24:56 GMT -5
swordattheready.wordpress.com/2015/02/19/atf-to-ban-non-lead-ammo-at-same-time-epa-plans-to-ban-lead-ammo/ATF To Ban Non-Lead Ammo At Same Time EPA Plans To Ban Lead Ammo Federal agencies looking to employ a pincer move designed to ban just about all ammunition from public sale, because if they cannot ban the guns, they opt instead to ban the ammunition that feeds them. More details and follow-up from the efforts the Obama regime is making to classify .223 ball ammunition as ‘armor piercing’ at the same time we learn the EPA is making moves to ban lead ammunition. You know, when the Redcoats came to seize the ammunition stores of the Colonists at Lexington and Concord – a war of independence from tyrants resulted. Today, when attempting to do the same thing utilizing a heinous federal bureaucracy, America yawns as plans to disarm them move forward with frightening speed. www.nationalreview.com/article/413952/pincer-movement-ammunition-kevin-d-williamson
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Post by avordvet on Feb 19, 2015 13:16:21 GMT -5
Update to the network... and make sure you update your networks. We warned everyone six years ago that this day would come, the gun grabbers got rebuffed hard after they tried to shove the 'sandy hook assault weapons ban' through, and they learned from it. While the Obama cartel continues to 'infringe' through un-Constitutional regulations and even absolute lawlessness, they have had the well funded Bloomberg groups along with any other anti-2A radicals they can scrape together, attacking the 2A at the state level. They try to keep low profiles until they build critical mass, then they pile on, like they did in Washington State. They tried this in Georgia after 'ole saint skittles got his in Florida, they hit us with multiple MAIG attacks and a host of other anti-gun groups, who were trying to get the state to water down the 'stand your ground' and 'castle doctrine' laws. We stood in their face at every turn with an armed rally, then the citizens of Georgia finally flipped 'em off by passing the 'Guns Everywhere' law, which had the anti-freedom crowd howling. You can do the same in your state, but you must take the first step... To stand and say no more! This can be a short fight or a long battle, the key is how many are willing stand and push back. Over the last six years you've watched Obama and the Dems ram critical items of their agenda through... no matter the cost. So do you really think Obama is gonna pull a punch in the last two years? If you have not contacted the ATF, the EPA and your Reps, what are you waiting for? M855 and SS109 bullets, a deliberate message to the shooting communityAmMerc, 16 February 2015 So there you have it, the ballot box and jury box will more than likely be necessary to keep a full bullet box in the future. I find it interesting that the law allows the AG to exempt a bullet from the armor piercing definition, but it doesn't not give the AG the ability to identify a bullet as armor piercing. randomthoughtsandguns.blogspot.com/2015/02/m855-and-ss109-bullets-deliberate.html ATF To Ban Non-Lead Ammo At Same Time EPA Plans To Ban Lead AmmoSAR, February 19, 2015 · 1:05 am Federal agencies looking to employ a pincer move designed to ban just about all ammunition from public sale, because if they cannot ban the guns, they opt instead to ban the ammunition that feeds them. More details and follow-up from the efforts the Obama regime is making to classify .223 ball ammunition as ‘armor piercing’ at the same time we learn the EPA is making moves to ban lead ammunition. You know, when the Redcoats came to seize the ammunition stores of the Colonists at Lexington and Concord – a war of independence from tyrants resulted. Today, when attempting to do the same thing utilizing a heinous federal bureaucracy, America yawns as plans to disarm them move forward with frightening speed. swordattheready.wordpress.com/2015/02/19/atf-to-ban-non-lead-ammo-at-same-time-epa-plans-to-ban-lead-ammo/
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Post by Michael Downing on Feb 19, 2015 13:52:11 GMT -5
One of my favorite T shirts that can be purchased cheap at Academy Sports simply says "Got Ammo". If you didn't start storing it away a few years ago when it was still cheap then you are behind the curve and catching up will be tough and expensive. If you wait too long it might not be possible...
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Post by avordvet on Feb 19, 2015 14:02:51 GMT -5
BLOAT...
Buy Lots Of Ammo Today
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Post by avordvet on Feb 26, 2015 14:43:08 GMT -5
Proposal: Banning armor piercing bullets for the publicWes Johnson, 11:55 a.m. CST February 22, 2015 Even though he's a police officer, Ball said he doesn't buy ATF's reasoning that AR pistols pose a serious threat to police officers. He showed an example of an AR pistol with a 7-inch barrel but the gun would be extremely difficult to conceal because of its overall length, Ball said. "Criminals aren't going to go out and buy a $1,000 AR pistol," Ball said. "And as a police officer I'm not worried about AR pistols because you can see them. It's the small gun in a guy's hand you can't see that kills you." www.news-leader.com/story/news/local/ozarks/2015/02/21/ban-armor-piercing-bullets/23816437/
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Post by Michael Downing on Feb 26, 2015 17:08:06 GMT -5
swordattheready.wordpress.com/2015/02/26/obama-to-ban-ammo-by-decree-fast-tracks-atf-directive-to-ban-sales-of-ammunition-to-public/Obama To Ban Ammo By Decree – Fast Tracks ATF Directive To Ban Sales Of Ammunition To Public Internet takeover today. Ammo ban tomorrow. The Regime is directing a ban on the production, sale and use of AR-15 ammunition to the public. Now that Obama has taken over the internet using his Alphabet agencies at the FCC and FEC to impose secret rules, none of us have read, had any input or ability to stop – His Heinous is doing the same exact thing with guns and ammunition. So without a lengthy build-up – here is the skinny of what is going on and what this evil regime in power is doing to strip your God-given RIGHT to arms and self defense as enshrined in the Constitution. You better believe the absolute worst possible intentions and consequences here – because this regime is in-fact imposing this tyranny right now, right under your nose. Shrug the warning off today – you will wish you didn’t tomorrow. First up – Obama’s ATF/BATFE has directed the banning of .223/ 556 mm ammunition, the most popular round for the most popular rifle owned by Americans by RECLASSIFYING the round as ‘armor piercing’. Note that this is THE SAME EXACT TECHNIQUE Obama has used to get the Federal Government to take over the internet today: by reclassifying the target so it falls under their jurisdiction and regulating it by implementing regulatory rules the public has absolutely no influence over. So Obama will do to ammunition what he just did to the internet: reclassify it – regulate and ban it. .223 is up first to be regulated and banned for retail sale by the ATF. Manufacturers will no longer be permitted to sell their inventories to anyone except the government. This will almost immediately eliminate what supplies are available to the public in the country, and we are already seeing this caliber flying off shelves and skyrocketing in price. Once this decree by Obama to the BATFE is implemented -mark my words here – they WILL use this precedent to to go after other calibers and rounds – so that even if there are successful court challenges – the stocks of ammunition available to John Q. Public will be scarce to non-existent. That is the intent. Once retail sales to the public are banned, you can rest assured that somewhere in the not-too-distant future – possession will also be banned, and at that point nearly every American with an AR-15 or similar rifle will be an automatic federal felon. The first step with the camel’s nose under the tent is what Obama’s ATF is doing now. The camel can only go forward until it is completely inside the tent taking up everything. Once Obama and his Alphabets get away with this – they will be able to get away with whatever it is they seek to do to disarm you. So now that this tyrannical evil regime in Washington has taken over the internet with power to control communication and information – now it apparently time to disarm the American people. Given the absolute silence and lack of any pushback against every imposition of tyranny being erected upon us – I fear for what is soon to come upon us all, at the hand of the very government solidifying and entrenching it’s power. As history teaches, once a government disarms their people – they enslave or exterminate those people. I firmly believe that is what this regime and this government will do, whether by an insidious design they are implementing, or by the natural course of events that push all tyrannical regimes to follow in order to keep total control. If you have not stockpiled, and you are not locked and loaded – now is the time. Tomorrow may be too late.
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Post by avordvet on Feb 26, 2015 18:22:26 GMT -5
Another burst sent out to the network...
We warned you earlier that this lawless regime was going to take over the internet, that was done today. Unless you pony up and get in the fight, your means to self-defense is next.
Fight like your freedom depends on it, because that is what is on the table now.
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Post by Michael Downing on Feb 26, 2015 19:41:30 GMT -5
"Fight like your freedom depends on it, because that is what is on the table now."
Amen...
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Post by Michael Downing on Feb 26, 2015 23:00:50 GMT -5
Who would a thunk it. See a pattern here. First the price of AR's doubled after Sandy Hook and now the price of ammo doubles. So it goes... ncrenegade.com/editorial/what-a-deal-thanks-obama/5.56x45MM PMC X-TAC GREEN TIP M855 NATO 62 GRAIN FULL METAL JACKET (1000 ROUNDS) $650.00 www.ammoman.com/223-556-pmc-xtac-green-tip-62-grain-fmj-1000What a Deal! Thanks Obama PMC X-TAC ammunition comes from South Korea, where it is manufactured to military specifications by one of South Korea’s top defense contractors. This case of 1,000 rounds in 5.56 NATO uses 62-grain “green tipped” SS109 full metal jacket bullets for extra penetration at only a slight cost in velocity. Each case holds 50 boxes with 20 rounds in each box. All of the cartridges use non-corrosive Boxer primers and reloadable brass casings. Great for range use with an AR-15; check with the manufacturer before using this 5.56 NATO ammo in a .223 Remington firearm, just in case. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I would have posted pricing on 1000 rounds of 223 or 556 but this site was sold out of anything that I would shoot. David DeGerolamo
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Post by Badger Actual on Feb 27, 2015 14:44:17 GMT -5
What is really appalling is that BHO has made the statement, in regards to his "executive actions", try to stop me. In other words to paraphrase congress can pass what they want but he will just veto it. I think we all here can agree that this is blatant disregard for the rule of law and the Constitution. No lead ammo no AP ammo .... what is left to shoot? Blanks.
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Post by avordvet on Feb 27, 2015 16:40:53 GMT -5
A local militia commander asked me what they can do about the ATF's actions...
We do what we are doing, training and prepping for the coming festivities... the average American will not pull their head out of their ass until it hits their doorstep. So just like the rest of this admins unlawful actions (and the non-action of the GOP) I expect them to ram it through without hesitation, unless people wake up, engage, and push back hard.
All we can do is urge people we know to take action; by getting off their apathetic asses and relentlessly hammering their Reps (I have mine on speed dial). In the mean time they should be doing the preps that will cover their family and/or be able to do a load out for 'operations' when things go south.
Get your members to stock up as much as they can, even if they are getting a box of ammo every couple weeks, it will be more than most Americans are doing. I got caught short after the Obamanation took office the first time and ammo was scarce, I was a re-loader and figured I could always build up some rounds. Well if you remember, ALL components were out of stock for a couple years.
Luckily I knew people that covered me until I restocked, and that will NEVER happen to me again... Got Cache?
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Post by Brandon1 on Feb 27, 2015 21:52:17 GMT -5
I have come to the conclusion That it is no longer the consent of the governed. It is more along the lines of bow down at our feet peasant.
Screw both parties they do not represent me.
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Post by Badger Actual on Mar 2, 2015 15:40:16 GMT -5
According to the law that prohibited armor-piercing ammo in handguns, the law's sponsor stated on the record that it is not the intent of this law to have any effect over rifle calibers. What this has become is rule by decree. The way I see it and the way the 2A clearly states the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. I will quote George Washington on this issue: "When government takes away citizens' right to bear arms it becomes the citizens' duty to take away the government's right to govern".
Very powerful statement and it has meaning on this very day.
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Post by Michael Downing on Mar 3, 2015 21:32:04 GMT -5
The feeding frenzy is on again. I had a friend ask me at work about a group buy on some 223/556 ammo and my only reply was not at today's prices. If you don't have it and you can find it all I can say is it is too expensive to buy with the fear factor now in effect. If you are coming late to the party think about buying other rounds for now. They will continue to push but we are being played. ncrenegade.com/editorial/you-cant-defend-yourself-against-tyranny-without-ammunition/You Can’t Defend Yourself Against Tyranny Without Ammunition .223 PMC BRONZE RIFLE 55 GRAIN FMJ # 223A (1000 ROUNDS) $509.00 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The price of this ammunition is up 51% in two weeks. What price Freedom?
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Post by avordvet on Mar 4, 2015 4:58:45 GMT -5
We have been warning people for awhile to cache up, and if they haven't by now, then they deserve what they are paying. Wonder how that normalcy bias is working out for 'em now?
BLOAT
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Post by avordvet on Mar 4, 2015 5:43:20 GMT -5
Obama administration ammo ban proposal being sold under false pretensesKurt Hofmann, St. Louis Gun Rights Examiner, March 3, 2015 5:46 PM MST In the final analysis, to be free, we the people must have the means to present a credible threat to those who would presume to rule us--and to the enforcers of that rule--should they dare to slip the bonds of the Constitutional limits on their power. Ammunition that can penetrate government myrmidons' armor, usable in a firearm that can be easily concealed, is a part of that threat--and that's why the Obama regime wants it banned. www.examiner.com/article/obama-administration-ammo-ban-proposal-being-sold-under-false-pretensesGeorgia Carry weighs in on Obama's attempted ammo ban... is your state gun rights group doing the same? This is the reason GA has been expanding our gun 'Rights' so rapidly, because we have a group that is not afraid to step up! IN RE: ATF FRAMEWORK FOR DETERMINING WHETHER CERTAIN PROJECTILES ARE PRIMARILY INTENDED FOR SPORTING ASSIGNED PURPOSES WITHIN THE MEANING OF 18 U.SC. § 921(A)(17)(C)Conclusion M855 does not meet any of the statutory criteria for being armor piercing, but even if it did, it would be unconstitutional to ban its manufacture on the premise that it is not intended for a “sporting purpose.” The Framework is fundamentally flawed and must be discarded. Dated the 25th day of February, 2015 georgiacarry.com/national/M855_ammo/Comments_of_GCO.pdf
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Post by avordvet on Mar 4, 2015 19:18:51 GMT -5
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Post by avordvet on Mar 6, 2015 5:30:02 GMT -5
Too bad they don't have the nuts to follow through... Republican proposes abolishing the ATF amid bullet ban controversyBy Cristina Marcos, March 05, 2015, 05:02 pm Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.) has reintroduced legislation to do away with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). Sensenbrenner, a senior Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, said the policies under ATF's jurisdiction could be easily incorporated into other agencies. Moreover, he argued, the ATF has become embroiled in too many controversies in recent years, like the botched "Fast and Furious" gun-tracking operation. thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/234811-republican-bill-would-abolish-atf
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Post by avordvet on Mar 6, 2015 17:22:00 GMT -5
EXCLUSIVE: Common AR-15 Green Tip Ammunition Already Banned in New ATF Regulation GuideKatie Pavlich, Mar 06, 2015 The comment period about the proposed/already implemented ban on AR-15 "green-tip" ammunition closes, ATF ignores tens-of-thousands of comments because they were never going to consider them in the first place, and continues with the regulations outlined in the new 2014 Regulation Guide. ATF changed the law unilaterally, didn't tell anyone about it and has now put up a bogus comment period that means nothing. Because of these actions, ATF and the White House have not only failed to follow the Administrative Procedure Act, but has gone around Congress to violate the Second Amendment rights of Americans. townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/03/06/exclusive-atf-has-already-banned-common-at15-green-tip-ammunition-n1966761
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Post by watchful on Mar 6, 2015 19:20:46 GMT -5
Support your local Militia! If none in town start one! Not the law! Just their internal regulations book which only pertains to their Commercial Licensee's. With the Small Arms treaty we all need to be making bullet molds in AR calibers. Saving up pieces of lead and copper tube to make our own in the garage.
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Post by avordvet on Mar 7, 2015 9:15:44 GMT -5
Burst out to the network...
For those of you saying that the federal government could never get away with this... SURPRISE!
We warned of this gun grabber six years ago, Obama told sara brady that he would work it 'under the radar' to institute gun control, and his minions have worked tirelessly to make it so.
So should this 'regulation change' stand, do you really think they are gonna stop with AR ammo? Rise and stand in the breach or suffer the consequences.
The only thing that has kept this lawless regime from finishing off what is left of the Constitution was the founders insistence on adding the Second Amendment, and that is under DIRECT attack right now.
Do what is needed, or your children and/or grandchildren will never experience the freedom and liberty that you have.
EXCLUSIVE: Common AR-15 Green Tip Ammunition Already Banned in New ATF Regulation Guide
Katie Pavlich, Mar 06, 2015
The comment period about the proposed/already implemented ban on AR-15 "green-tip" ammunition closes, ATF ignores tens-of-thousands of comments because they were never going to consider them in the first place, and continues with the regulations outlined in the new 2014 Regulation Guide.
ATF changed the law unilaterally, didn't tell anyone about it and has now put up a bogus comment period that means nothing. Because of these actions, ATF and the White House have not only failed to follow the Administrative Procedure Act, but has gone around Congress to violate the Second Amendment rights of Americans.
townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/03/06/exclusive-atf-has-already-banned-common-at15-green-tip-ammunition-n1966761
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Post by brocktownsend on Mar 7, 2015 14:40:31 GMT -5
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Post by watchful on Mar 7, 2015 20:26:28 GMT -5
Support your local Militia! If none in town start one!
It is time for us to all get smart here. The ATF is not able to enter anyplace except to enforce laws (made by congress, not written by an agent in a book.) that involve the interstate transportation, sales, or manufacture of Alchol, Tobacco, Firearms. This is why they convince the local LEO to do it for them for some grant money.
This is another smoke and mirrors operation. IE: Red Flag. Get the rednecks upset amd while they call elected felons, protest, and jump up and down in the street they go somewhere else and do what they want.
Possible reasons:
1. Last week I was awoken at about 3:00 or 4:00 AM by 2 (I heard) C5A Aircraft taking off and passing over my house. That means they used Fayetteville Airport, not Pope Field . They were tugging hard even for a C5A. Lot of something and possibly someone’s going someplace. Ths weekend not many Soldiers in the store.
2. This weekend the whole Camp Lejune Artillery are here at Bragg to fire their cannons. Unusual since they normally send one battery at a time. Why concern?
When an Artillery or Tank unit is alerted for War duty they immediatly shoot off their barrels so they can deploy with tested (3 rounds) new barrels so they won't need to ship as many new barrels and wont need to change any on arrival in combat zone.
Have they decided to start a new war? While we worry about our ammo the world goes up in smoke. Or is their mission closer to home?
Start monitoring for troop movements, DHS movements, things we need to know.
If ATF wants some ammo there are thousands of newly identified Soverign Terrorist that they can trade with when their Tonsils get larger.
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